Bruins Development Camp Highlights: Letourneau, Zellers & Top Prospects | Ep. 150

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0:41 Speaker 5: Most? Welcome in everyone to another episode of Ruins Tape

0:53 Speaker 5: to tape and in fact, welcome into our fourth season premiere.

0:59 Speaker 5: I'm your host today, Caroline with a K, and I'm

1:02 Speaker 5: joined with my fantastic co host Maria from Watertown. Hey, Maria,

1:07 Speaker 5: how's it going.

1:08 Speaker 1: It's gone great.

1:09 Speaker 2: I can't believe we're four years into this gig with

1:13 Speaker 2: each other. It's thrawn by in a good way.

1:15 Speaker 1: It has.

1:16 Speaker 5: It's been an interesting four years, or at least three

1:19 Speaker 5: full seasons. To kick off this season, we are bringing

1:24 Speaker 5: in our favorite doctor of Dev's, our prospects expert Mary Beth,

1:30 Speaker 5: to talk about dev Camp.

1:32 Speaker 1: So welcome in, Mary Beth.

1:34 Speaker 4: Hey, thanks so much for having me and congrats on

1:36 Speaker 4: four years. Happy to have been part of it for

1:39 Speaker 4: most of it. I appreciate you guys, having me back

1:41 Speaker 4: as you know this to me is one of the

1:43 Speaker 4: most wonderful times of the year.

1:45 Speaker 5: It fills us all with hope and the promise of

1:49 Speaker 5: what could be in the future for the Boston Bruins.

1:52 Speaker 5: There's a saying in gardening, if you'll indulge me, that

1:57 Speaker 5: there's no perfect garden like next year garden. And I

2:01 Speaker 5: feel like there's no perfect team like next year's future team,

2:05 Speaker 5: and so I often feel that way when I'm watching

2:07 Speaker 5: some of these young kids and hearing about them throughout

2:10 Speaker 5: the season from you.

2:11 Speaker 1: You do such a great job of keeping track of

2:14 Speaker 1: all of these.

2:14 Speaker 5: Young players, and we're excited to hear about some that

2:18 Speaker 5: have been in the system for a little while. Now

2:22 Speaker 5: you're gonna tell us a little bit about Dean laterno

2:25 Speaker 5: Will Zellers, Loki Johansen, Christian Kostadinsky, and then, of course

2:30 Speaker 5: our two newer players on our prospects roster goaltenders Yuri

2:37 Speaker 5: Ivanov and Max Lundgren. But before we dive in, let's

2:41 Speaker 5: do a little bit of a refresher in case we've

2:44 Speaker 5: got some new fans or folks who just don't pay

2:47 Speaker 5: this close attention in the summertime.

2:49 Speaker 1: What is Development Camp and why does it matter?

2:53 Speaker 4: Development Camp is a summer program. It's held by all

2:55 Speaker 4: of the NHL teams and it's their newly drafted and

3:00 Speaker 4: their signed prospects.

3:01 Speaker 1: There are some.

3:02 Speaker 4: Invites that come as well. They might invite people that

3:05 Speaker 4: they're interested in. I've noticed a lot of times that

3:08 Speaker 4: the invites are playing with somebody who's already in our pipeline,

3:12 Speaker 4: So that's generally how that again there, so it's people

3:15 Speaker 4: that we might be keeping an eye on, maybe some

3:18 Speaker 4: undrafted free agents that we want to check out. The

3:21 Speaker 4: players are usually between eighteen and twenty or twenty one.

3:25 Speaker 4: Some of them can be a little older depending on

3:27 Speaker 4: where they are and their development. But the teams get

3:30 Speaker 4: to know the players. The players get to know the

3:32 Speaker 4: team culture, the training methods, the coaching staff. They focus

3:36 Speaker 4: on skills, nutrition, training, and sports psychology, and then they

3:42 Speaker 4: help the players to come up with the development plan

3:45 Speaker 4: for the next year. I think we last year. We're

3:47 Speaker 4: talking about it like hockey school, and that's really what

3:50 Speaker 4: it is for these guys is they're just coming in

3:52 Speaker 4: getting a taste of this, but also coming up with

3:55 Speaker 4: a game plan moving forward.

3:57 Speaker 2: And Mary bet this was a question thank you came

4:00 Speaker 2: up last week while some of us were there physically.

4:04 Speaker 2: But are there typically any scouts? I think this is

4:08 Speaker 2: a question that fans would want to know the answer to.

4:10 Speaker 1: No, usually, I think now.

4:13 Speaker 4: I do think that there may be some people keeping

4:15 Speaker 4: an eye on the notes that come out, the video

4:18 Speaker 4: that comes out, But people aren't going to other teams'

4:22 Speaker 4: development camps. But there was one player in here who

4:26 Speaker 4: this is like his third development camp. It was at

4:28 Speaker 4: the Krack and he was at Vegas. So you do

4:30 Speaker 4: see them going to different camps if they haven't signed

4:33 Speaker 4: into a system or committed to a system. But it's

4:36 Speaker 4: not because they're somebody has been in there scouting them.

4:39 Speaker 4: In the seats now, Bruins Brass is often there, but

4:43 Speaker 4: they sit way up and not anywhere near us.

4:46 Speaker 1: Peasants freezing out gas is off exactly. My god, was

4:51 Speaker 1: that rink cold.

4:52 Speaker 5: It was good on a hot week though, So it's

4:55 Speaker 5: a really great opportunity. The vast majority of the players

4:58 Speaker 5: who are in attendance are players that have been drafted

5:02 Speaker 5: by that team.

5:04 Speaker 1: And then, like you said, there are a handful of

5:07 Speaker 1: players who are invited.

5:09 Speaker 5: They are not already signed somewhere or drafted for a

5:13 Speaker 5: variety of reasons.

5:15 Speaker 1: Their pathway is a little bit different.

5:16 Speaker 5: A lot of the invites I noticed this year, for

5:20 Speaker 5: the most part, came from the NC DOUBLEA. Then there

5:24 Speaker 5: were a couple of invites who were we had a

5:27 Speaker 5: WHL invite, but a lot of them came from NC DOUBLEA.

5:32 Speaker 5: And of course.

5:34 Speaker 1: There are draft picks there who are currently also in

5:37 Speaker 1: the NC DOUBLEA.

5:38 Speaker 5: But that kind of got us thinking about some of

5:41 Speaker 5: these changes that the NCUBA has adopted over the last

5:45 Speaker 5: couple of years. Most notably, the biggest change was last

5:49 Speaker 5: season in which players who had gone into juniors, which

5:54 Speaker 5: is technically professional hockey because they get compensated. Previously had

5:59 Speaker 5: never been allowed to then go and play in the

6:02 Speaker 5: NCUBA because the NCUBLEA would only take players who still

6:06 Speaker 5: maintained amateur status. That changed last year because we saw

6:09 Speaker 5: Gavin McKenna be the flagship players so to speak, to

6:14 Speaker 5: do this thing where he played juniors and then went

6:17 Speaker 5: to Penn State. Another change that's coming down the pike

6:21 Speaker 5: that I'm not as familiar with.

6:22 Speaker 1: Explain the next phase of.

6:24 Speaker 5: The change and maybe how is that going to change

6:28 Speaker 5: the landscape of prospects.

6:30 Speaker 4: So this change is going to affect prospects who are

6:34 Speaker 4: going to enroll in college in fall twenty twenty seven

6:38 Speaker 4: or later. We need to talk about it now, though,

6:42 Speaker 4: because it changes the way NCUBA eligibility is applied up

6:47 Speaker 4: until next year. The waved eligibility worked was you would

6:51 Speaker 4: get four years of playing within a five year period.

6:56 Speaker 4: There's all sorts of different rules and regulations in there.

6:58 Speaker 4: But you hear about somebody read shirting. They might sit

7:01 Speaker 4: out a year to protect a year of eligibility. That's

7:04 Speaker 4: not how it's working now. For most of the college

7:08 Speaker 4: athletes who are coming in right after high school, they

7:12 Speaker 4: may actually be able to get another season in or so.

7:16 Speaker 4: But this is instead of four seasons within a five

7:20 Speaker 4: year clock, it's a five year eligibility window, but it's

7:24 Speaker 4: tied to your age and your enrollment. But now the

7:29 Speaker 4: NCAA clock begins on the academic year after the nineteenth birthday,

7:35 Speaker 4: but depends on when you're born when that clock is starting.

7:40 Speaker 4: That's why any of the players in juniors now need

7:44 Speaker 4: to be thinking about where's my clock. What I think

7:48 Speaker 4: is going to happen with this is I am thinking

7:51 Speaker 4: that people are still going to be playing their time

7:53 Speaker 4: in juniors and not necessarily cutting that, But as we've

7:57 Speaker 4: been seeing more and more is maybe cutting their time

8:00 Speaker 4: in the NC Double A, not playing all four years

8:03 Speaker 4: there still getting in a few years in juniors. Now

8:06 Speaker 4: there may be some who just play a year or

8:09 Speaker 4: so in juniors and then get their full four years

8:11 Speaker 4: in an NC Double A. We're going to have to

8:13 Speaker 4: see how this ends up playing out. There was a

8:16 Speaker 4: lot of pushback on this for hockey because hockey development

8:20 Speaker 4: is very different than a lot of other sports. Most

8:22 Speaker 4: sports don't have this very intricate and important.

8:26 Speaker 1: Development window of juniors.

8:28 Speaker 5: So does that mean that the clock starts at age

8:32 Speaker 5: nineteen regardless if they plan to go to an NC

8:38 Speaker 5: DOUBLEA like the max, they will max out in age

8:42 Speaker 5: potentially before they max out the number of eligible seasons. Correct.

8:47 Speaker 1: Interesting.

8:48 Speaker 5: I get it, because especially at D one hockey schools,

8:52 Speaker 5: you have players coming in who are probably going to

8:56 Speaker 5: be a little bit older. Again, they could be going

8:58 Speaker 5: and playing American years, which is still considered at the

9:01 Speaker 5: time you're preserving their amateur status. So they would come

9:04 Speaker 5: in and be a twenty two year old freshman, but

9:08 Speaker 5: then they would have for years, so they were graduating.

9:13 Speaker 5: If they played their full eligibility at twenty six years

9:17 Speaker 5: of age, but now it sounds like it's a max

9:20 Speaker 5: out at.

9:21 Speaker 4: Twenty four depending on when your birthday hits. Interesting, so

9:24 Speaker 4: if you turn nineteen in August, it's very different than

9:28 Speaker 4: if you turn nineteen in September.

9:31 Speaker 1: Kind of like enrolling for school.

9:33 Speaker 4: With these kids, kind of there's got to be a

9:36 Speaker 4: lot of thought in how they're doing it, So it's

9:38 Speaker 4: important just to keep this in mind. Again, we're not

9:41 Speaker 4: going to be seeing it until next season, but it

9:44 Speaker 4: may affect some of the choices that some of our

9:46 Speaker 4: prospects are making based on their development.

9:49 Speaker 5: I actually kind of like this idea of this concept

9:52 Speaker 5: because I think the biggest criticism and concern around the

9:57 Speaker 5: NCAA rule change from last year was you've got kids who.

10:01 Speaker 1: Are going to be doing juniors.

10:03 Speaker 5: They're going to come in and they're going to obviously

10:05 Speaker 5: be really talented because they've played in Canadian juniors, which

10:11 Speaker 5: is really high level of hockey, and the number of

10:14 Speaker 5: spots available for especially American players, it's going to be

10:19 Speaker 5: that much more competitive because you've got this injection of

10:24 Speaker 5: potentially significantly more talented players coming into the pool. But

10:28 Speaker 5: then this is like the protection piece from the NCAA

10:33 Speaker 5: for their American players, because if an American player decides

10:39 Speaker 5: to only do one year of West juniors, they might

10:44 Speaker 5: be able to get in sooner as opposed to other

10:48 Speaker 5: players who are doing Canadian juniors, and it's not uncommon

10:52 Speaker 5: for them to make that jump from Canadian juniors to

10:55 Speaker 5: the NHL because Canadian Juniors is effectively that prep league

10:59 Speaker 5: for the NAA, whereas NC DOUBLEA is the prep league

11:02 Speaker 5: for the NHL for a lot of Americans. So I

11:04 Speaker 5: like this in this sense that it kind of takes

11:07 Speaker 5: back a little bit of that control that it seemed

11:10 Speaker 5: to me that the NC DOUBLEA was kind of giving up.

11:13 Speaker 1: But we'll see how it works out in practice.

11:15 Speaker 4: I think we have to see how the players end

11:17 Speaker 4: up using it, how they end up responding to it,

11:20 Speaker 4: and I think then we'll know better because I think

11:22 Speaker 4: there's an argument made for both sides. I can see

11:26 Speaker 4: the more level playing field, but I also see what

11:30 Speaker 4: the Canadian junior system does and the.

11:32 Speaker 1: Kind of product that we see from that.

11:34 Speaker 5: Yeah, this whole NC DOUBLEA change has even gone so

11:38 Speaker 5: far as to motivate USA Hockey to completely change their

11:43 Speaker 5: development pathway for older players. They're creating a new league,

11:48 Speaker 5: so to speak of more elite junior level, again still amateur,

11:53 Speaker 5: but trying to create another layer to amp up the

11:58 Speaker 5: talent and the competitiveness for American players to compete on

12:03 Speaker 5: a more level playing field with Canadian junior players who

12:06 Speaker 5: are coming in and also trying out for NCAA spots.

12:10 Speaker 5: Like it's legitimately enough of a concern for USA Hockey

12:14 Speaker 5: and seeing how these rules have changed access for American

12:18 Speaker 5: players so very interesting. Love to see good competition among

12:23 Speaker 5: young players because you want to see them grow and develop,

12:26 Speaker 5: and that is why something like dev camp exists, so

12:29 Speaker 5: that way we can track some of these players and

12:32 Speaker 5: see how they've changed and see how they take what

12:34 Speaker 5: they've learned. I think we'll kick it off with obviously

12:37 Speaker 5: the biggest name and our biggest player out there, Dean Laturno.

12:42 Speaker 5: He's been there, I believe he's done it three years now.

12:47 Speaker 5: This is a third development camp where I've seen him. Actually,

12:50 Speaker 5: the first dev Camp I covered was right after his draft.

12:53 Speaker 5: I've been watching him for the last obviously during the

12:56 Speaker 5: year as well, but for the last three dev camps.

12:58 Speaker 1: So my gosh, what difference a year makes.

13:03 Speaker 2: I went three days. He looked like a man amongst boys,

13:07 Speaker 2: honestly in there. No, but he's got a rocket for

13:11 Speaker 2: a shot, and he moves relatively fluidly. I still think

13:16 Speaker 2: there's some work he can do on his ease of movement.

13:19 Speaker 2: And I don't know if that has anything to do

13:21 Speaker 2: with the fact that he's a big boy.

13:23 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean he's sturdy. Let's put it that way.

13:27 Speaker 5: When I think of like Zadanochara being of similar height,

13:31 Speaker 5: in my mind, Chara, it was this skinny player, very

13:35 Speaker 5: live beanpole of a man that is not Dean Laturno.

13:39 Speaker 5: So give us his little background and then some things

13:42 Speaker 5: that you've noticed that have changed since he's started with us.

13:46 Speaker 4: He is a rising junior at BC, and for anybody

13:50 Speaker 4: who's followed his career, they may remember his freshman.

13:53 Speaker 1: Year was not full of stars. He was supposed to.

13:56 Speaker 4: Have another year of development, and then one of the

13:59 Speaker 4: BC players ended up going pro a year earlier than expected.

14:03 Speaker 4: A space opened up, so he took it, and he

14:05 Speaker 4: had an injury. It turns out that year too. But

14:07 Speaker 4: his freshman year not awesome. This past year, completely different

14:12 Speaker 4: year at BC. He was second only to James Hagens.

14:16 Speaker 4: Really you could see it at camp. So he is faster,

14:20 Speaker 4: he's stronger, he's confident, and again this is from watching

14:24 Speaker 4: him for the last three years. He is a leader

14:26 Speaker 4: on the ice now and you wouldn't have said that

14:29 Speaker 4: last year. You wouldn't even have predicted that was where

14:32 Speaker 4: it was going. Obviously the Bruins knew that before we did.

14:35 Speaker 4: He spit out this year, not just because of his size.

14:39 Speaker 4: The first year was like, yep, he's taller than everybody

14:41 Speaker 4: and I see him. But other than that he didn't

14:44 Speaker 4: stand out. This time he did. He's becoming better at

14:48 Speaker 4: creating his chances. There was a play on Wednesday during

14:52 Speaker 4: the three on three scrimmages that he made some space,

14:55 Speaker 4: he squeezed his way through and he just made this

14:58 Speaker 4: nasty goal. It was so much fun were watching that

15:01 Speaker 4: and I thought, oh, we wouldn't have seen this from

15:03 Speaker 4: him last year. But the kind of stuff that he's

15:06 Speaker 4: been picking up, this is the kind of stuff he's

15:08 Speaker 4: learning by the minutes he put in, by the time

15:11 Speaker 4: he put it, and quite frankly, the hard work he's

15:13 Speaker 4: been putting it. Yeah, he's going to be the number

15:15 Speaker 4: one guy at BC this year. It would not surprise

15:18 Speaker 4: me if he comes up next spring after the BC

15:21 Speaker 4: season ends, but because he skipped juniors, I wouldn't hate

15:26 Speaker 4: it if he had an extra year of development. So

15:29 Speaker 4: I think that decision will be made when they see

15:32 Speaker 4: how this year goes for him.

15:34 Speaker 1: He was an interesting one for me to watch. I

15:36 Speaker 1: was only there for one day.

15:37 Speaker 5: I went for the first day where there were a

15:41 Speaker 5: lot of drills, which I love to watch that kind

15:43 Speaker 5: of stuff. I watched that three days a week during

15:47 Speaker 5: the season with ten year olds, So like I'm very

15:50 Speaker 5: familiar with all the foundations of hockey and the basic skills.

15:53 Speaker 1: That doesn't matter.

15:54 Speaker 5: How old you are, if you're eight or eighteen, you're

15:57 Speaker 5: all doing quite literally the exact same thing. An interesting

16:00 Speaker 5: one to observe because again I think his sheer size

16:04 Speaker 5: can sometimes make it a little bit tricky to evaluate

16:07 Speaker 5: his skating. I know that the skating was a huge

16:10 Speaker 5: issue commented on last year and that it has improved.

16:15 Speaker 5: And it's hard to compare him to someone like will Zeller's,

16:20 Speaker 5: who will get to because will Zeller's is seven inches

16:24 Speaker 5: shorter than him.

16:27 Speaker 1: There's just difference in size.

16:29 Speaker 5: Yeah, and not just like Hite build and everything, and

16:33 Speaker 5: watching him skates, he had decent foundation of skating skills.

16:38 Speaker 5: What I thought was really interesting in watching him was

16:41 Speaker 5: some of his technical ability. I think he I would

16:45 Speaker 5: hope continues to work on and develop. And watching players

16:50 Speaker 5: in drills is very different than watching players play in

16:53 Speaker 5: the game. Playing in a game can hide all manner

16:56 Speaker 5: of sins because there's so much going on, But the

16:59 Speaker 5: technical foundation really becomes important and evident in gameplay when

17:06 Speaker 5: you have to make a lot of decisions quickly, or

17:10 Speaker 5: you have to move and do three things at the

17:14 Speaker 5: same time, and when you have that solid technical foundation,

17:17 Speaker 5: those are things that you don't even have to think about,

17:19 Speaker 5: so you continue to have that mental acuity to then

17:23 Speaker 5: finish the shot lift the puck. One of my favorite

17:26 Speaker 5: drills that I saw them doing was a kind of

17:29 Speaker 5: a passing drill where they went down the boards and

17:32 Speaker 5: went back up and passed the puck, and then went

17:34 Speaker 5: down again and passed the puck, and they had to

17:36 Speaker 5: do it three or four times, and not every guy

17:38 Speaker 5: could then lift the puck at the end because they

17:40 Speaker 5: were doing like fifty different things motions right, and some

17:44 Speaker 5: degree of fatigue, mental fatigue or whatever prevented most of

17:48 Speaker 5: them from even being able to lift the puck. At

17:49 Speaker 5: the end of it, he still has that potential to

17:53 Speaker 5: hone those particular skills. I did like what I saw

17:57 Speaker 5: from him. He's got a lot of henchel I love

18:01 Speaker 5: the size. I love seeing a player be able to

18:04 Speaker 5: utilize that, especially in board battles. I saw him do

18:08 Speaker 5: a great job in that regard. So I think he's

18:10 Speaker 5: going to be really interesting future ruin hopefully as long

18:14 Speaker 5: as he continues the hard work.

18:16 Speaker 1: For sure.

18:16 Speaker 4: Now I agree with you, and I do think one

18:18 Speaker 4: of the things we want to keep in mind about

18:20 Speaker 4: development camp is as we are seeing they are playing

18:25 Speaker 4: against other developing players. Now again, I do think Laturno

18:29 Speaker 4: looks great. I'm seeing all this improvement, a lot of

18:32 Speaker 4: good stuff happening with him. But what happens is when

18:35 Speaker 4: people see someone like Laturno standing out at camp, it's

18:39 Speaker 4: their immediate reaction to, hey, let's bring him up where's laturn.

18:42 Speaker 5: No, No, he is he is destined for the AHL

18:47 Speaker 5: for a little bit.

18:49 Speaker 2: Well, and let's point when this comes up again, let's

18:53 Speaker 2: point to the fact that we did bring James Hagen

18:57 Speaker 2: up here, and he looked like a deer in the

19:01 Speaker 2: headlights during really did the ice time that he got

19:05 Speaker 2: in the playoffs, and we all know the transition from

19:08 Speaker 2: one venue to another and then jumping into the playoffs

19:12 Speaker 2: are all vastly different things.

19:14 Speaker 1: You know. I think people need to pump the brakes on.

19:18 Speaker 2: You know, when we get a shiny new toy, right,

19:21 Speaker 2: you want to see that shiny new toy go from

19:24 Speaker 2: zero to one thousand all at once. And that's not

19:27 Speaker 2: how it works for these younger players. I mean, we

19:30 Speaker 2: want to see them grow and develop because they are

19:32 Speaker 2: part of the future, right and so you don't want

19:35 Speaker 2: to quash that by throwing them into a situation that

19:38 Speaker 2: they're not quite ready for yet. We can have conversations

19:43 Speaker 2: about the Bruins hesitancy in that regard at the AHL level,

19:47 Speaker 2: where hopefully we're seeing a shift in that mindset moving forward,

19:52 Speaker 2: but let these guys grow and blossom in the venues

19:57 Speaker 2: that they're in right now.

19:59 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's exactly right.

20:01 Speaker 4: So I always have a disclaimer when we're talking about

20:05 Speaker 4: our prospects and our developing players.

20:08 Speaker 2: There's a path to develop. There's a reason why it's

20:11 Speaker 2: called development camp.

20:13 Speaker 5: Yeah, it's a great reminder that when you're watching players

20:17 Speaker 5: at dev camp. This is a pond that is very small,

20:22 Speaker 5: and someone can look like a really big fish there.

20:25 Speaker 1: But the pond for AHL level.

20:27 Speaker 5: Play and then NHL level play significantly larger.

20:32 Speaker 1: So where's so you said Dean is going back to

20:35 Speaker 1: being back to the junior year a BC.

20:38 Speaker 4: We'll see how that plays out at the end of

20:41 Speaker 4: the season, whether we see him come up to the

20:42 Speaker 4: Bruins or whether he does another year of BC. I'm

20:46 Speaker 4: not going to be grudge a kid if they're close

20:48 Speaker 4: to ready who wants to start making some money.

20:51 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's tough. It's tough to not do that. It's

20:55 Speaker 1: tough to say no.

20:57 Speaker 5: Will Zellers tell us a little bit about him, what

21:00 Speaker 5: number kid was.

21:01 Speaker 2: He's got some sick hands and he can molder me.

21:05 Speaker 2: And I think I will say this about him. Out

21:09 Speaker 2: of all of the players that were out there, he

21:11 Speaker 2: seemed to me to be the kid that was having

21:14 Speaker 2: the most fun out there all weeks. He just looked

21:18 Speaker 2: like he was having a great time. Yes, love to

21:21 Speaker 2: see he did last year too. The kid loves to

21:24 Speaker 2: play hockey and it just shows he just full of joy,

21:28 Speaker 2: just yucking it up with teammates. Or goofing around, and

21:32 Speaker 2: this should be part of the component of the week.

21:35 Speaker 4: Yes, yeah, I agreed. And it's a game at the

21:39 Speaker 4: end of the day, it's a game. It's a serious game,

21:41 Speaker 4: and they're making a career of it. But particularly at

21:44 Speaker 4: summer camp.

21:45 Speaker 2: Though, I will I will say that there was at

21:48 Speaker 2: one of the scrimmages. I think it was the first

21:51 Speaker 2: scrimmage we saw that he and Vaughn kind of got

21:54 Speaker 2: into it a little bit along the boards and that, Yeah,

21:58 Speaker 2: there was. I kind of liked, I'm like, WHOA good

22:01 Speaker 2: for you guys. One of you is back and down.

22:03 Speaker 2: Wasn't anything nasty, dirty or anything like that, but neither

22:06 Speaker 2: one was taking any crap from the other in the corner,

22:09 Speaker 2: So I thought that was pretty good. Yeah.

22:12 Speaker 4: So will Is he's twenty years old. We got him

22:15 Speaker 4: last year in a trade with Colorado. He was at camp. Yeah,

22:19 Speaker 4: so this is his second camp with us, and I'm

22:22 Speaker 4: sure he was a camp in twenty twenty four with

22:25 Speaker 4: the Avalanche. He was a third round pick. I loved

22:28 Speaker 4: watching him last year because he had fun and he

22:30 Speaker 4: was a great pairing with Hagens. This year, he was

22:34 Speaker 4: a lot of fun to watch. Actually, in the scrimmages

22:36 Speaker 4: with Pelosi. They made a great pairing. He's great with

22:39 Speaker 4: the puck on his stick. He is a playmaker, and

22:42 Speaker 4: he's a very offensive player. Not offensive offensive, but he

22:49 Speaker 4: guts snipe a shot too.

22:51 Speaker 5: Yes, he can very high skill player. I really enjoyed

22:55 Speaker 5: watching like these little surprises.

22:57 Speaker 2: It was fun to watch when he got the puck

22:59 Speaker 2: on his he was fun to watch.

23:01 Speaker 5: But by no means David Pasternak, I'm not equating him

23:05 Speaker 5: in terms of talent. However, one of those kinds of

23:08 Speaker 5: players who they hand out little treats of look at

23:12 Speaker 5: this little thing I can do. Here's a little treat

23:14 Speaker 5: for you, and it's just, oh my god, that was fantastic.

23:17 Speaker 1: I loved seeing that.

23:18 Speaker 4: Now he is a rising sophomore at North Dakota, so

23:21 Speaker 4: he's going to be NCAA for the second year. Had

23:24 Speaker 4: a great season last season. He led the stretch at

23:27 Speaker 4: the end of the first day, and I always like

23:30 Speaker 4: to see that because it shows that it's a sign

23:32 Speaker 4: of leadership, but it's also showing a level of trust

23:35 Speaker 4: from the coaches. It's anyone who you see leading the

23:38 Speaker 4: stretch is given a certain amount of responsibility from the

23:42 Speaker 4: coaches and saying, hey, listen, we believe in you.

23:45 Speaker 1: Good job, and it's really a sign of respect.

23:48 Speaker 2: And you know what, he didn't take any shift off,

23:50 Speaker 2: any drill off he went. He went one hundred and

23:54 Speaker 2: ten percent no matter what he was asked to do,

23:57 Speaker 2: which I think is significant for any in my view.

24:01 Speaker 1: He was super smooth.

24:02 Speaker 5: They had a puck handling drill where they had to

24:05 Speaker 5: do a lot of slalom skating and then also passing

24:08 Speaker 5: the puck under these little things I don't know what

24:11 Speaker 5: to call them to get to the goaltender, and he

24:14 Speaker 5: was just smooth as silk.

24:15 Speaker 1: It was beautiful to watch.

24:17 Speaker 5: He also had a really good year last year in

24:20 Speaker 5: World Juniors. He participated and had a pretty impactful series there.

24:25 Speaker 5: I think with Hagen's right, he played Yeah, and again

24:28 Speaker 5: they were fun to watch. They played well off each other.

24:32 Speaker 5: We're look into the future, we're starting to look at

24:34 Speaker 5: hopefully some future linemates.

24:36 Speaker 2: But I thought just popped into my head, you know,

24:39 Speaker 2: don't overrate the importance of these players having played with

24:44 Speaker 2: each other.

24:45 Speaker 4: Yes, yeah, and that actually brings me Cooper Simpson, who

24:49 Speaker 4: is here for his we drafted him last year, keeps

24:52 Speaker 4: a Chel, but he is.

24:53 Speaker 1: Also heading to North Dakota.

24:55 Speaker 4: Holmens Nullers are going to be teammates.

24:57 Speaker 5: This year, all right, So let's shift gears little bit

25:00 Speaker 5: to the defensive side of things. The Bruins' identity for

25:06 Speaker 5: years now has been solid, good defense, and it's something

25:11 Speaker 5: that we have struggled with the last couple of years,

25:13 Speaker 5: and so seeing the defensive players out there gave me hope.

25:19 Speaker 5: There were a lot of names that I have recognized

25:21 Speaker 5: from past drafts, past DEV camps, but two guys that

25:25 Speaker 5: I want to touch on are Lokijo Hanssen and Christian Kostadinski.

25:30 Speaker 5: Primarily because with Kostadinski, we talked about him last year

25:34 Speaker 5: as being somebody of note and I one hundred percent

25:40 Speaker 5: noticed him. But also with Johansen, he was the only

25:46 Speaker 5: player there who actually has AHL experience, and I have

25:51 Speaker 5: to say I could tell, and I'm not saying because

25:54 Speaker 5: the other kids were not good, but his degree of control,

26:00 Speaker 5: especially like in his skating.

26:02 Speaker 2: Listen to me, I want to talk about anybody that

26:05 Speaker 2: plays defense. Yes, over six feet tall and weighs over

26:08 Speaker 2: two hundred pounds, Yes, sign me.

26:13 Speaker 1: Yeah, he's a big guy.

26:15 Speaker 4: He is twenty we drafted him in twenty twenty four

26:18 Speaker 4: in the sixth round. This is his third camp. He

26:21 Speaker 4: just finished year one of a three year contract. We've

26:24 Speaker 4: got two more years with him. Last season he split

26:27 Speaker 4: his time between Maine and Providence. When I'm watching him

26:31 Speaker 4: accamp this year, I saw some really good stuff from

26:33 Speaker 4: him on the boards. He was just really solid there,

26:36 Speaker 4: and I've seen so much growth in his game over

26:39 Speaker 4: the last couple of years. Again, he made that shift

26:42 Speaker 4: going up until playing to the professional level. Now, what

26:46 Speaker 4: I'm hoping is that he gets more time in Providence

26:50 Speaker 4: than Maine, if not all the time Improvidence, So I

26:53 Speaker 4: think that'll be really helpful. I don't think it was

26:55 Speaker 4: great for him to bounce around between the two. I

26:58 Speaker 4: think that some consistency and your team and your linemates

27:01 Speaker 4: really helps you to develop as far as it goes.

27:04 Speaker 4: The one thing that I don't love, I think that

27:07 Speaker 4: in part he can be a little bit behind and

27:10 Speaker 4: still kind of reach out and catch up. But I'd

27:12 Speaker 4: love to see him anticipating that and just getting a

27:15 Speaker 4: little bit more ahead of stuff. He led the stretch

27:18 Speaker 4: on day two, so again seeing that trust, that leadership

27:21 Speaker 4: from the coach. I always love to see that from them.

27:24 Speaker 4: But yeah, I definitely am seeing some good stuff from him.

27:28 Speaker 4: Definitely a huge jump from last year to this year

27:32 Speaker 4: and from the first year I saw him.

27:34 Speaker 5: So where do you see him potentially reappearing. I have

27:39 Speaker 5: to assume we're going to see him at rookie camp

27:43 Speaker 5: because of all the guys that we saw, most of

27:48 Speaker 5: these players who have been drafted, seems like they're pretty

27:52 Speaker 5: much all going back to college in the fall.

27:55 Speaker 1: So do we think we'll see him at rookie camp.

27:58 Speaker 4: I think he'll be at rookie camp. I think he's

28:00 Speaker 4: in that position to vye for a job. Some of

28:03 Speaker 4: that's going to be dependent on as we shake it

28:05 Speaker 4: all out after all of the stuff that's going on

28:08 Speaker 4: in the past few weeks, who else is coming up?

28:10 Speaker 4: Who else is aiming for that job? But rookie camp

28:13 Speaker 4: is about now. Remember too, it's rookie camp. There are

28:16 Speaker 4: some players that are already on the Bruins squad, so

28:20 Speaker 4: they're not coming to rookie Camp. They have a job.

28:23 Speaker 4: So it's how many spots do we have and who's

28:25 Speaker 4: fighting for those jobs? So we should get over the

28:28 Speaker 4: coming weeks, we should have an idea of who's going

28:31 Speaker 4: to be invited to rookie camp.

28:32 Speaker 1: Yeah, I hope he gets a look.

28:35 Speaker 2: I appreciated during the scrimmages watching the aggressive way that

28:40 Speaker 2: he played defense.

28:42 Speaker 5: Well, we talk about this quite often, especially when we're

28:45 Speaker 5: talking about young players, whether they're at in Boston at

28:48 Speaker 5: the NHL level or at the other levels. Different positions

28:52 Speaker 5: develop at different rates because of the varying skills sets

28:57 Speaker 5: that they need to master. They're just might be more

29:00 Speaker 5: things that you have to do and perfect with those

29:03 Speaker 5: foundational skills. Forwards tend to hit peak and either're gonna

29:09 Speaker 5: hit their ceiling a lot. Younger twenty five to twenty

29:12 Speaker 5: six defenceman. I've always kind of seen that magic age

29:16 Speaker 5: be twenty seven to twenty eight, and then goalies are

29:19 Speaker 5: the last ones because there's fifty billion things that they

29:22 Speaker 5: have to be doing in a game. And so Johansson

29:26 Speaker 5: is twenty. That is an infant in terms of position.

29:31 Speaker 5: But I agree, I really hope to see him play

29:34 Speaker 5: full time in Providence. I got to see him play

29:37 Speaker 5: that one game I just happened to be in Providence

29:39 Speaker 5: for and he was there and very noticeable even amongst

29:42 Speaker 5: those players. So he's what I'm excited for because again

29:45 Speaker 5: he's been in the system for three years, so I

29:48 Speaker 5: love to see them continue to grow and develop. Christian Costadinski,

29:54 Speaker 5: you can't see the other people, but I am like

29:56 Speaker 5: rubbing my.

29:57 Speaker 1: Hands together over this kid. What six two thirty five

30:02 Speaker 1: Maria is drooling, rueling.

30:06 Speaker 4: You. He's tons of promise there. So he is twenty one.

30:11 Speaker 4: We drafted him in twenty twenty three, is a seventh

30:13 Speaker 4: round pick. This is his third camp and he is

30:16 Speaker 4: a rising sophomore at BC. One of the things with

30:20 Speaker 4: Costadinsky is he was not a strong skater, and that

30:25 Speaker 4: is putting it quite kindly. In twenty twenty four, he

30:29 Speaker 4: is still working on his skating. But I will tell

30:31 Speaker 4: you BC unbelievable job developing players and are teaching them

30:37 Speaker 4: to skate. We have BC to thank for coastadentinkcoming a skater.

30:42 Speaker 2: I was surprised because I made note of this about

30:47 Speaker 2: how smoothly and cleanly he was able to move the

30:51 Speaker 2: puck out of the defensive zone during battle drills that

30:56 Speaker 2: were happening.

30:56 Speaker 1: But the scrimmage.

30:58 Speaker 4: One of the things I actually one of the notes

30:59 Speaker 4: I took was on Tuesday, I was noticing he had

31:02 Speaker 4: some really great reps with some really solid edgework, and

31:06 Speaker 4: it was noticeable to me, in part because I've been

31:08 Speaker 4: watching him the last few years, but it was enough

31:11 Speaker 4: to even to catch my eye. That's one of the

31:14 Speaker 4: things at DEV campus. There's a lot of players on

31:16 Speaker 4: the ice. They don't wear numbers, so unless you're back

31:19 Speaker 4: is to you, you have no idea who I don't

31:21 Speaker 4: know who it is you start to catch your eye.

31:24 Speaker 4: Now he does, because he's just big.

31:26 Speaker 1: He's vague.

31:27 Speaker 4: But the first year that I saw met camp Laturno's

31:29 Speaker 4: first year, they were really big guys. But now we've

31:32 Speaker 4: got more coming up, so it's not as much of

31:36 Speaker 4: oh it must be Costaedinski. Now, let's be honest, he

31:39 Speaker 4: still is a giant among bigger players, but it is

31:43 Speaker 4: interesting that we're starting to catch up a little bit.

31:45 Speaker 2: No, but someone for someone who's six six, two thirty five, right,

31:50 Speaker 2: he's likely still hasn't finished developing.

31:54 Speaker 1: Let's face it.

31:55 Speaker 2: You know, Zudana Shower Hall of Famer, one of the

31:58 Speaker 2: greatest defensemans ever pull on a Bruins jersey, but neverthe

32:02 Speaker 2: most fleet of foot with his skating right because of

32:06 Speaker 2: his size and gangliness. If that's a technical term to

32:10 Speaker 2: use when you see a kid like this Kostadinski who

32:14 Speaker 2: seems to be like, geez, you look pretty good for

32:17 Speaker 2: a big man.

32:18 Speaker 1: Yeah, you take notice of that.

32:20 Speaker 5: Yeah, And I mean there's always going to be that

32:22 Speaker 5: kind of We discussed that Maria at camp. The illusion

32:26 Speaker 5: of well, gee, is this giant player just not as

32:30 Speaker 5: good as a skater. Don't look at their the speed

32:35 Speaker 5: of their feet, and look more at how much distance

32:39 Speaker 5: can they cover? How efficient is there skating and are

32:42 Speaker 5: they in proper skating form? Because you want to see

32:46 Speaker 5: a guy like that be really efficient in his skating.

32:50 Speaker 5: You don't need to see him, you know, stumping his

32:52 Speaker 5: feet and going super fast with his legs, because that

32:54 Speaker 5: would just be insane. His legs are probably four feet

32:58 Speaker 5: long to the you're already there exactly, so he definitely

33:03 Speaker 5: stood out. He's going back to Boston College. You said

33:06 Speaker 5: he's going into his sophomore yearly.

33:08 Speaker 4: Into his sophomore year, so we've got and my guess

33:10 Speaker 4: is he takes four years to develop there.

33:13 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean again, why not? Why not? Right?

33:16 Speaker 5: Especially for defensemen, you want to make sure that they

33:19 Speaker 5: cook as hon as goaltenders. Now, before we talk about

33:22 Speaker 5: the two goalies that I wanted to address being Yuri Ivanov,

33:27 Speaker 5: who literally was drafted Saturday and then showed up in

33:31 Speaker 5: Boston on Monday, which I love those little stories how

33:34 Speaker 5: that happens.

33:34 Speaker 1: And then there's Max Lugren Kyle Chavet.

33:37 Speaker 4: Yeah, so Kyle was an inviting to camp and he's

33:40 Speaker 4: twenty four years old. He graduated from University of New

33:44 Speaker 4: Hampshire last spring, and while we were at camp it

33:48 Speaker 4: was announced he is going to be the ebug for

33:50 Speaker 4: the Bruins this year.

33:51 Speaker 1: Good on the local kid, Good on the local kid.

33:55 Speaker 4: Now it's important to know the NHL actually changed the

33:58 Speaker 4: ebug role this year.

33:59 Speaker 1: Yes, everyone has to carry one now. No more random

34:03 Speaker 1: zamboni driver. No no, no.

34:07 Speaker 4: What's going to be fun for Kyle is he's going

34:10 Speaker 4: to travel and practice with the team. He doesn't count

34:13 Speaker 4: against our cap pit, he's not technically signed to an

34:17 Speaker 4: NHL contract that the ebug needs to be someone who

34:22 Speaker 4: has never played an NHL game and cannot have played

34:25 Speaker 4: professionally in the last three years for more than eighty games.

34:30 Speaker 4: So it is still the spirit of this zamboni.

34:33 Speaker 2: The zamboni driver, right, but it's not exactly the letter

34:37 Speaker 2: of everyone. You're not going up in the stands and

34:40 Speaker 2: plucking a guy out.

34:41 Speaker 1: Of the buildings.

34:45 Speaker 2: Do they do they get? This is where I got

34:47 Speaker 2: a little lost in the weeds with the rule. Do

34:49 Speaker 2: these ebugs receive some type of payment?

34:53 Speaker 1: They are? I couldn't find exactly what it is.

34:55 Speaker 2: Because I thought I was losing it that I'm like,

34:57 Speaker 2: these guys are going to be doing this for nothing.

35:00 Speaker 4: I knew it was an organization higher somebody in the organization,

35:05 Speaker 4: but the player.

35:06 Speaker 5: I'm assuming they invited him knowing that he probably had

35:10 Speaker 5: that job and they just hadn't announced it because he

35:13 Speaker 5: was an invite I gotta tell you, not knowing any

35:15 Speaker 5: of that till you told us this this morning. My

35:18 Speaker 5: very first note on him was great feet. Love his feet,

35:24 Speaker 5: his footwork excellent. They say that the goalie actually has

35:28 Speaker 5: to be your best skater, the best one on their

35:30 Speaker 5: skates out of the entire team, and he had fantastic feet.

35:34 Speaker 1: But that stood out to me.

35:35 Speaker 5: But we're not really here to talk too much about

35:37 Speaker 5: him because he's not really in the pipeline. Let's talk

35:40 Speaker 5: about Yuri Ivanov, this guy, like I said, besides loving

35:44 Speaker 5: watching these drills anyways, I am always drawn to watching

35:47 Speaker 5: the goalies because again, my kid, it's a goalie. I

35:50 Speaker 5: watch goaltending fundamentals constantly. This guy, when he was out

35:56 Speaker 5: on the ice, I believe he was out there with

35:58 Speaker 5: Chavette and another player who is just an invite. And

36:02 Speaker 5: he's six foot two, so he's not like excessively tall,

36:06 Speaker 5: and he was only like an inch taller than the

36:09 Speaker 5: other two players out there. But the space that this

36:12 Speaker 5: kid takes up, with how he positions himself, probably the

36:17 Speaker 5: equipment he's using. Holy cow, this kid takes up the net.

36:21 Speaker 5: And he was the Bruins' first pick for this year's draft.

36:26 Speaker 5: I believe, yes he was.

36:27 Speaker 4: Oh he is actually only seventeen, so this is what

36:31 Speaker 4: makes him pretty amazing. In my book seventeen, he'll turn

36:34 Speaker 4: eighteen in September. We already talked about how goalies developed later.

36:38 Speaker 4: He is playing right now in the MHK, so that

36:41 Speaker 4: is the Russian juniors. He'll be going back to Russian juniors.

36:44 Speaker 4: Last year, in seventeen games, he had a zo point

36:47 Speaker 4: nine two four safe percentage and a two point six

36:51 Speaker 4: to two goals against average, So nice numbers. He should

36:54 Speaker 4: be there for the next couple of years. He's got

36:56 Speaker 4: no five hole, and he's got, as you mentioned, great

36:59 Speaker 4: lateral movement, and he takes up the net. The one

37:01 Speaker 4: thing I started to notice, but this is the thing

37:03 Speaker 4: I don't pay too much attention to goalies at dev camp.

37:07 Speaker 4: They're young, and they basically are petned with goals for

37:10 Speaker 4: four solid days.

37:11 Speaker 2: I don't even know how you can qualify it is

37:14 Speaker 2: development camp for these poor goalies because all they're seeing.

37:18 Speaker 1: Is rubber, rubber, rubber, rubber, rubber.

37:20 Speaker 2: From the town they set foot on the ice until

37:23 Speaker 2: they get off the ice, so it's really difficult to

37:26 Speaker 2: kind of make an assessment of them.

37:29 Speaker 1: The one thing that.

37:29 Speaker 2: I did notice early on in the development camp, and

37:33 Speaker 2: it wasn't just him, but it seemed like most of

37:36 Speaker 2: the goalies were really struggling with shots up high, you know,

37:40 Speaker 2: anything that was top's shelf or glove side or by

37:43 Speaker 2: the shoulder. They were having a hard time. And maybe

37:46 Speaker 2: that was just to start a camp and not understanding

37:50 Speaker 2: what the hell they was supposed to be doing or

37:52 Speaker 2: what their roles were on the ice as the goalies there,

37:55 Speaker 2: but yeah, I did feel bad for them in that regard.

37:59 Speaker 5: This is kind of my take on what I see

38:02 Speaker 5: with the goalies. So one of the things that I

38:03 Speaker 5: watched while the skaters were doing their warm up skate drills,

38:10 Speaker 5: the goalies we're having a little bit of one on

38:13 Speaker 5: one time with the goalie coach doing not only their

38:17 Speaker 5: version of warm ups and doing some post work, but

38:21 Speaker 5: they have that opportunity.

38:23 Speaker 1: That one on one time with the.

38:25 Speaker 5: Goalie coach to do some training work, a little bit

38:29 Speaker 5: of coaching that was happening there. They'll do their little

38:32 Speaker 5: thing and then the coach will talk to them afterwards,

38:34 Speaker 5: and then they do it again and they implement those

38:36 Speaker 5: kinds of changes, because that's kind of how goalie training works.

38:40 Speaker 1: In that sense. It's not like with a.

38:43 Speaker 5: Skaters drill, where okay, you got to skate to the

38:46 Speaker 5: dock here, and you got to pick up the puck

38:48 Speaker 5: and you got to pass it, and you got to

38:49 Speaker 5: do all these very obvious things. With the goalies, it's

38:52 Speaker 5: going to be a lot more smaller action, smaller movements

38:55 Speaker 5: that they're gonna practice the same kind of little routine

38:59 Speaker 5: over and over and over again. That might not seem

39:01 Speaker 5: like a ton is going on, but I saw them

39:03 Speaker 5: doing that in that kind of one on one time

39:05 Speaker 5: and then for the most part, I would say, when

39:09 Speaker 5: they are out there facing the shots and everything, I

39:12 Speaker 5: really wish I was there for that day that you

39:14 Speaker 5: saw you were texting me Maria about the goalies, because I.

39:17 Speaker 1: Probably could have been able to assess it a little

39:19 Speaker 1: bit better.

39:19 Speaker 5: When they get into the net to serve as foil

39:25 Speaker 5: for the skater, I'm not I don't want to say

39:28 Speaker 5: that they're not trying hard, but the point isn't necessarily

39:32 Speaker 5: to stop every puck like you would have them in

39:35 Speaker 5: a game. So it's entirely possible that, yes, man, we

39:40 Speaker 5: got issues up to one hundred percent could be but

39:42 Speaker 5: the fact that it sounded like every single one of

39:45 Speaker 5: them was doing that kind of tells me that maybe

39:48 Speaker 5: what they were doing was doing a like an eighty

39:51 Speaker 5: percent effort, right right.

39:53 Speaker 2: It's not a knock on, well, no knock got just

39:57 Speaker 2: something I noticed, but very interesting.

39:59 Speaker 5: How so different development is for goalies and the training

40:03 Speaker 5: and everything that kind of goes in.

40:05 Speaker 1: Who cooking up a good goalie.

40:07 Speaker 5: That's why we have so many in the system, because

40:09 Speaker 5: you never know how they're going to turn out.

40:10 Speaker 1: It's like sourdough, My god, you don't know. It just

40:12 Speaker 1: seventeen year old who knows. Now.

40:14 Speaker 4: Again, this is an important thing to keep in mind

40:16 Speaker 4: too when we talk about development camp. When you see

40:19 Speaker 4: video of some of these players and stuff, we don't

40:22 Speaker 4: actually know what they're working on every time. So it

40:25 Speaker 4: may be like, boy, they really don't look like they're

40:28 Speaker 4: doing this skill great, But it may be that the

40:30 Speaker 4: coach said, I'd like you to do this while we're

40:34 Speaker 4: you know, while we're performing this particular exercise. Now, the

40:37 Speaker 4: one thing I did notice is for Ivanov, and I

40:40 Speaker 4: feel like he was over anticipating what was coming and

40:43 Speaker 4: wasn't necessarily correcting in the moment. But again, they're peppered

40:47 Speaker 4: with goals for four straight days. You do see them

40:50 Speaker 4: getting fatigued by day four when you're just sitting there

40:53 Speaker 4: getting after put well.

40:55 Speaker 2: And you know what, they were sharp. They were sharper

40:58 Speaker 2: during the scrimmage component of the development camp. Yeah, definitely

41:02 Speaker 2: a different level now.

41:04 Speaker 5: Max Lundgren, even though he's from Sweden, local boy so

41:07 Speaker 5: to speak. Merrimack College won the Hockey East this year

41:14 Speaker 5: this past the spring with him and net.

41:16 Speaker 6: He's huge and it was the MVP of the tournament.

41:21 Speaker 6: He's huge, He's genormous. Yeah, he's six ft five. He

41:26 Speaker 6: literally takes up a lot of space.

41:29 Speaker 5: Let's hear I want to hear from you, but I

41:31 Speaker 5: just my one comment about him was I didn't love

41:35 Speaker 5: his feet as much as I loved Chauvet's feet. But man,

41:39 Speaker 5: he can quickly get to the other side just because

41:42 Speaker 5: of how freakin' tall he is.

41:43 Speaker 4: Yeah, he's twenty four. We signed him as a free

41:47 Speaker 4: agent in March, like right at the end of his season.

41:49 Speaker 4: He was undrafted. Obviously, he had a little bit of

41:52 Speaker 4: a different path. He actually played youth hockey in Sweden.

41:56 Speaker 4: He had a little stint in the USHL. He was

41:59 Speaker 4: NCAA ineligible first freshman year due to the league that

42:03 Speaker 4: he played in in Sweden.

42:04 Speaker 1: This was nc Double A.

42:05 Speaker 4: Rules were different then, so he started Merrimac playing his

42:10 Speaker 4: software year even though he went there as a freshman.

42:12 Speaker 4: So basically, again this red shirt rule, he's somebody who

42:15 Speaker 4: would have been caught up in the new rules there.

42:17 Speaker 4: From everything I can find about him, he is a responsible,

42:23 Speaker 4: hard worker and he took his college education very seriously.

42:27 Speaker 4: I just think that speaks to a level of maturity

42:30 Speaker 4: we don't always see at this age. So again, he

42:33 Speaker 4: led the Hockey East in wins, he was MVP of

42:36 Speaker 4: the Hockey East tournament, had the most saves.

42:38 Speaker 1: In the NC DOUBLEA.

42:39 Speaker 4: This year, We've got a few goalies in the pipeline

42:42 Speaker 4: and I'm not quite sure where they're going to shake out.

42:45 Speaker 4: I think he's going to end up being Providence, not Maine.

42:48 Speaker 1: I gotta see. We just signed somebody new who I

42:50 Speaker 1: don't know enough about.

42:51 Speaker 5: I think one of the things that Boston Bruins organization

42:55 Speaker 5: has done tremendously well in regards to their development. There

42:58 Speaker 5: meant some issues with how they developed some of the skaters,

43:02 Speaker 5: but goaltending development is just one of those things that.

43:06 Speaker 1: The Bruins do. They seem to do consistently well.

43:09 Speaker 2: And I will say I'm glad that they're changing their

43:13 Speaker 2: mindset in terms of you know, one of the criticisms

43:17 Speaker 2: that many of us have levied at the Boston Bruins

43:19 Speaker 2: is they never had a plan for the ultimate departure

43:24 Speaker 2: of the trees bergeron and David Craigie. Well, now you've

43:28 Speaker 2: got a franchise goalie right in Jeremy Swainman. You know

43:32 Speaker 2: how long you have him, His deal is going to

43:35 Speaker 2: be very team friendly at the end of it, but

43:39 Speaker 2: you have to be prepared for the eventuality that you're

43:42 Speaker 2: going to need to fill that role, you know. I'm

43:45 Speaker 2: glad to see that they're at least living for the

43:48 Speaker 2: future and not just the now these days.

43:51 Speaker 4: And I do want to mention we did have one

43:53 Speaker 4: more goalie at camp, Roberto. He was HL for Green

43:57 Speaker 4: Bay Leader Safe percentage was right. He is starting at

44:01 Speaker 4: BC in the fall, so again it's the bunk from

44:03 Speaker 4: college bruin point. But that's I want to make sure

44:06 Speaker 4: I mention him this year sixth round. But he's also

44:10 Speaker 4: going to be another friend at BC. And also he's

44:12 Speaker 4: the only goalie we didn't talk about. Make sure we

44:15 Speaker 4: mention his name, yes, of course.

44:16 Speaker 5: And I wonder if we will see any of these

44:20 Speaker 5: goalies come back next year to the dev camp, because

44:24 Speaker 5: it almost seems like when it comes to the DEV Camp,

44:27 Speaker 5: the goalie piece tends to be revolving, which could be

44:31 Speaker 5: entirely a byproduct of the fact that the way that

44:33 Speaker 5: you develop goaltenders is very different. I think, Maria, to

44:37 Speaker 5: your point of looking to the future, when Tim Thomas left,

44:43 Speaker 5: we had Tuka, You've stepped right up. When Tuka left,

44:47 Speaker 5: we had swaymen pay up in so we've been very

44:51 Speaker 5: lucky in that regard.

44:54 Speaker 1: We've not had that gap.

44:56 Speaker 5: And I think, for as much as we like to

44:58 Speaker 5: make fun of Don Sweene this summer collecting goalies like

45:03 Speaker 5: their pokemon, he and his staff know what they're doing

45:05 Speaker 5: when it comes to collecting a large variety of different

45:09 Speaker 5: kinds of goalies. Because it is such a long term gamble,

45:14 Speaker 5: you're not gonna see the return for a number of years.

45:19 Speaker 1: So it's smart, as much as I hate to admit

45:22 Speaker 1: him being smart. But so what comes next?

45:26 Speaker 5: When are we gonna maybe hear about rookie camp and

45:29 Speaker 5: who's in attendance.

45:31 Speaker 4: Over the next couple of weeks, the schedule for the

45:33 Speaker 4: year is going to come out. We'll get the roster

45:35 Speaker 4: for rookie camp that's often played around with right up

45:38 Speaker 4: until right before camp, and that's going to be the

45:41 Speaker 4: second week of September.

45:43 Speaker 1: For most of these.

45:44 Speaker 4: Guys, they're younger, they have a game plan for next year.

45:47 Speaker 4: We're not necessarily going to see them unless you're following

45:50 Speaker 4: NCUBA or some of the junior leagues, which is fine.

45:54 Speaker 4: We will see a lot of these players again next year,

45:58 Speaker 4: and I'll have an article on sub Stack with some

46:01 Speaker 4: of the players, because obviously I could talk all day

46:04 Speaker 4: about all of them.

46:05 Speaker 1: To listen to that we had.

46:07 Speaker 4: We had a pretty big draft class, but they were

46:09 Speaker 4: lower tiered picks this year compared to sometimes when we've

46:13 Speaker 4: got these first round picks like Laturno or Higgins that

46:16 Speaker 4: are that are really exciting.

46:17 Speaker 1: It doesn't mean they're not going to be good.

46:20 Speaker 5: Last year, a lot of the attendees from dev Camp

46:23 Speaker 5: did end up going to Rookie Camp because they had

46:26 Speaker 5: completed whatever developmental path they were on. This year, that's

46:32 Speaker 5: not necessarily the case because we had so many kind

46:34 Speaker 5: of graduate from dev Camp and go on to HL

46:39 Speaker 5: or EHL. Got a lot of guys now who have

46:43 Speaker 5: filled in these spots and so we're not going to

46:45 Speaker 5: see most of them.

46:46 Speaker 4: The ones that will see at Rookie Camp are going

46:48 Speaker 4: to be the ones who are going to be playing

46:50 Speaker 4: either they're going to get the invite to the big

46:52 Speaker 4: show as that we're up in Boston, they'll be in Providence,

46:54 Speaker 4: they'll be in Maine. Most of these players, they're younger,

46:58 Speaker 4: particularly the newly drafted ones. They're younger. They are NCAA,

47:03 Speaker 4: they are juniors. Got you know my standout of camp,

47:06 Speaker 4: which again i'll put on this sub sect, Popkov. He's

47:09 Speaker 4: only seventeen. It plays Russian juniors.

47:12 Speaker 2: He's got some sick hands, that kid. Yeah, you and

47:16 Speaker 2: I chatted about this on Thursday, Mary Beth. The start

47:20 Speaker 2: of the scrimmage or at the drills, he didn't really

47:23 Speaker 2: look engaged to begin the day. Then he stepped it

47:28 Speaker 2: up definitely during the scrimmage.

47:30 Speaker 4: One of the things that's really interesting about development camp

47:33 Speaker 4: is that some of the players who are invisible to

47:36 Speaker 4: me all week, you putting them in the scrimmage, and

47:38 Speaker 4: all of a sudden they are shining and you're just like, where.

47:41 Speaker 1: Have you been on where have you been?

47:43 Speaker 4: Or there's ones that you've been watching during these drills,

47:46 Speaker 4: during these exercises, and you're looking for the scrimmage, you're like, well,

47:49 Speaker 4: where are you?

47:50 Speaker 1: Are you even playing out there? Which is why you

47:51 Speaker 1: do both. Yeah, it's very exciting. But thank you again,

47:55 Speaker 1: Marybeth for you, Yes, for your thorough assessment. Yes, I'm

48:00 Speaker 1: giving up a lot of your time.

48:03 Speaker 5: Yeah, we're gonna chat again at the very end of

48:08 Speaker 5: the summer, maybe get a refresher on some names that

48:11 Speaker 5: we've seen before. Maybe there's gonna be someone that we've

48:14 Speaker 5: not really ever talked about, so that'll be exciting to

48:16 Speaker 5: see who our more immediate prospects are as September approaches.

48:22 Speaker 5: In the meantime, we're gonna put together you and I

48:26 Speaker 5: some stuff for the substack, a little bit more detail

48:29 Speaker 5: and more information about these players and how you can

48:32 Speaker 5: keep track of them, where to watch them if you're

48:35 Speaker 5: nearby some D one hockey or junior hockey. How can

48:39 Speaker 5: our listeners find you, Maribeth?

48:43 Speaker 1: You can find me on my socials.

48:44 Speaker 4: I am always at mb skis, I'm active on threads,

48:48 Speaker 4: I'm on Instagram, I'm on blue Sky, So you can

48:51 Speaker 4: find me all those places at mb skis.

48:54 Speaker 1: And so happy start of our fourth season.

48:58 Speaker 5: We have lots on the calendar for this summer. It

49:03 Speaker 5: may be summertime, but we still always have hockey to

49:06 Speaker 5: talk about.

49:06 Speaker 1: We'll be talking about some of our newer.

49:09 Speaker 5: Players who have returned to Boston or who are starting

49:13 Speaker 5: in Boston, and a little bit later this month, we

49:17 Speaker 5: will do a recap of a crazy free agency for

49:21 Speaker 5: everybody else but apparently Boston, so stay tuned for that.

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49:42 Speaker 2: Any final thoughts Getting close to hockey season starting ever

49:46 Speaker 2: so closer, So writing every day is a step closer.

49:50 Speaker 4: As I tell my niece, rest up, hydrate, and get

49:53 Speaker 4: ready because the season will be here before we know it.

49:55 Speaker 1: It sure will. It's going to be an earlier start

49:58 Speaker 1: for sure. As always, go bees O bees, sobees,