Boston Bruins Prospects: Inside the Bruins Roster Pipeline | Ep. 149
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🎙️ While we're at Boston Bruins Development Camp, we're revisiting one of our favorite offseason conversations with fresh context. We take a behind-the-scenes look at how NHL development camps work, explore the Bruins prospect pipeline, highlight several standout young players, and explain what fans should realistically expect from the future Bruins roster.Become a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/bruins-tape-to-tape-a-boston-bruins-hockey-podcast--6575298/support.
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Speaker 1: Thanks so much. I'm really happy to be here. As
Speaker 1: you know, this is one of my favorite times of
Speaker 1: the year.
Speaker 2: I know, I know well Maria and I we get
Speaker 2: deep in the weeds with the team as it exists
Speaker 2: in Boston in the day to day, especially all the regulars,
Speaker 2: and I know for myself.
Speaker 1: I do not pay nearly.
Speaker 2: Enough attention to these young up and comers, not just
Speaker 2: because there's always so much going on in Boston, but
Speaker 2: a lot of the young people in the last couple
Speaker 2: of seasons really not that they haven't been good, but
Speaker 2: we haven't had so many draft picks. And I feel
Speaker 2: like there was a lot of buzz this summer around
Speaker 2: development Camp because we've clearly had a lack of young
Speaker 2: talent waiting in the wings.
Speaker 1: And you got a front row seat. I sure did. Boy,
Speaker 1: it was a fun week, so I can't wait to
Speaker 1: share everything about it. Some of the guys that really
Speaker 1: impressed me, some of the fun things we saw.
Speaker 3: This of all years, with what the Bruins are doing
Speaker 3: right now, which is basically a rebuild, and now is
Speaker 3: the time that we do need to focus more on
Speaker 3: that because clearly the Bruins are moving in an alternative direction.
Speaker 3: I'm not quite sure that they have made a determination
Speaker 3: yet what that direction is, but that's a story for
Speaker 3: a different podcast. But at some point in time, it
Speaker 3: is necessary to focus on your young players because they
Speaker 3: are going to be a part of the future of
Speaker 3: the team. So you know, we need to know what
Speaker 3: that is going to potentially look like and who is
Speaker 3: going to be at the forefront of that new player development.
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 2: I think hopefully at the end of our conversation today,
Speaker 2: maybe we will get a sense of how long is
Speaker 2: it going to potentially take to see some of this
Speaker 2: draft effort actually come to fruition because with the exception
Speaker 2: of maybe the first and second overall pick, and obviously
Speaker 2: depending on the team, most NHL teams don't actually get
Speaker 2: to use their first round pick right away. It's not
Speaker 2: a super common things. Why don't we start out first, Marybeth,
Speaker 2: give us the rundown? What is development camp? Who's invited?
Speaker 2: All I know.
Speaker 1: Is it can be us.
Speaker 2: Not all the draft picks, but certainly some of the
Speaker 2: team's top draft picks get invited immediately. There are other
Speaker 2: random guys.
Speaker 1: Give us the rundown. Sure, development camp is essentially a
Speaker 1: summer program held by all of the NHL teams. It's
Speaker 1: they're newly drafted and they're signed prospects, but they also
Speaker 1: have some space and they invite some other players. So
Speaker 1: there's some that are there just by invitation, and it's
Speaker 1: usually somebody that the team wants to have an eye on.
Speaker 1: Most of the guys that we had invited had a
Speaker 1: connection from a college or something, so you could see, oh, okay,
Speaker 1: they were at school with such and such. That's probably
Speaker 1: how they got noticed by our scouting staff. So at
Speaker 1: development camp, the team gets to know the players, but
Speaker 1: the players also get to know the team, the culture,
Speaker 1: the training methods, and the coaching staff. The focus is
Speaker 1: on their skills, nutrition, training, sports psychology, and essentially the
Speaker 1: staff helps them to map out what their development plan is.
Speaker 1: So it's basically hockey school, but on steroids.
Speaker 2: So can somebody be at let's say a Bruins camp
Speaker 2: dev camp this year and next year at another team's camp.
Speaker 1: The people who are invited, they're usually draft picks and
Speaker 1: signed prospects. So in that case, when we look at
Speaker 1: James Hagen's right, well, we drafted him, he's not going
Speaker 1: to show up at the Avalanche next year because we've
Speaker 1: signed him, but we have a couple of other invites
Speaker 1: who if we are not inviting them, they could be
Speaker 1: invited by another team, for sure, because it's it's the
Speaker 1: draft picks the prospects, but it's also undrafted free agents,
Speaker 1: so they can do what they want now. I don't
Speaker 1: know exactly how the invitation process works behind the scenes, sure,
Speaker 1: but I am guessing that these are people who have
Speaker 1: been in conversation with the Bruins, the scouts or somebody
Speaker 1: from the staff. They've been having a little bit of
Speaker 1: back and forth and that's how they're Okay, why don't
Speaker 1: you come to camp and she knows what you have. Now.
Speaker 1: It could be after a camp the staff is like,
Speaker 1: we don't feel like you're a fit, or the prospect
Speaker 1: themselves could be like, you know what, I've gotten to
Speaker 1: know you and you're not feeling like a great fit
Speaker 1: for me. So I think that they could show up
Speaker 1: at somebody else's camp. More often they're showing up at
Speaker 1: our camp for a year or two couple of years.
Speaker 1: They can start coming to camp usually around age eighteen,
Speaker 1: and then it's usually twenty to twenty one year old.
Speaker 1: Although there are certainly a few guys who are older,
Speaker 1: but not by much because there's still they might still
Speaker 1: be playing college. They might still be you know, they
Speaker 1: haven't entered the AHL, they haven't signed the or entry
Speaker 1: levels sometimes, so some of these players, we're still seeing
Speaker 1: it development camp. One of the things that's interesting is
Speaker 1: it is a development camp when we're seeing these players,
Speaker 1: they're learning stuff, they're being coached. One of the things
Speaker 1: you're watching is, hey, I saw this player do this.
Speaker 1: I saw a coach talk to them. Am I seeing it?
Speaker 1: So that's part of what you're looking for over the
Speaker 1: week from these guys. Am I seeing a difference from
Speaker 1: day one? They want to Yeah, seeing exact same mistakes
Speaker 1: for four days. Knowing some of the stuff we're watching,
Speaker 1: some of the drills they're doing, some of the scrimmages.
Speaker 1: They might be working on something specific. I said, Hey,
Speaker 1: I really want you to be more on your outside edge,
Speaker 1: or I really want you to be leaning in this way,
Speaker 1: or I really want you to head forward this way.
Speaker 1: So they might be working on a specific skill. That
Speaker 1: means you're not actually seeing them playing and as they
Speaker 1: would say in a game. So that's one of the
Speaker 1: things my mind that this is hockey school.
Speaker 2: That's really fascinating because it's all kind of coming together
Speaker 2: to me for me now in my head about what
Speaker 2: this really is. And it's quite literally it's camp, right,
Speaker 2: just like what you would imagine, like you go to
Speaker 2: camp in the summertime, right. And for whatever reason, I've
Speaker 2: always considered the use of the word camp in the
Speaker 2: NHL to mean it's not really camp, it's just warming up, right.
Speaker 2: But I'm starting to recognize some even some of the
Speaker 2: things that the coaching staff is having the players do.
Speaker 2: If anybody's listening has a kid in in mites or younger,
Speaker 2: I mean, that's cross ice, that's exactly how you do scrimmaging.
Speaker 2: And so it's really fascinating to me now to kind
Speaker 2: of look at this and think, Wow, it's not just
Speaker 2: warm up slash tryouts basically, right, because I think that's
Speaker 2: also what I was thinking, was like, oh, this is
Speaker 2: a tryouts kind of thing. No, it's quite literally, let's
Speaker 2: see where you're at, where you're at, Let's teach you
Speaker 2: some things, and then we teach you some strategies. Are
Speaker 2: you trying to pick it up? And then I would
Speaker 2: imagine those players go off, you know, the NCAA they
Speaker 2: go to my mits juniors and they watch them and see, like,
Speaker 2: are you applying the things that we've suggested and kind
Speaker 2: of going from there.
Speaker 1: One of the things I think that's helpful for people
Speaker 1: to know is how do they get here? What gets
Speaker 1: them to the point of being ready to be invited
Speaker 1: to a development camp. And there's a couple of different
Speaker 1: paths they can take. In Canada, you start out with
Speaker 1: minor hockey, so that the mites, et cetera, whatever they're
Speaker 1: calling it, but it's starting with U seven programs. Then
Speaker 1: they move on to junior hockey, and there's actually a
Speaker 1: couple of different ways you can do that. So there's
Speaker 1: the CHL, the Canadian Hockey League, and that has what
Speaker 1: people here of as the Major Juniors. Okay, so if
Speaker 1: you're hearing the Major Juniors, it is the Western Hockey League,
Speaker 1: the WHL, which is basically Western Canada, the OHL, which
Speaker 1: is the Ontario Hockey League, and that's Middle Canada and
Speaker 1: the US. Then there is the q MJHL May Junior
Speaker 1: Hockey League, which is the Atlantic cana region, and the
Speaker 1: Eastern US basically Eastern Canada and the US. So that
Speaker 1: is the CHL. Now that is actually semi professional, so
Speaker 1: they draft into that NC Double A obviously another path
Speaker 1: for the Canadians, but there also are some other junior leagues,
Speaker 1: Junior A and Junior B. Those are non professional, so
Speaker 1: they're part of the Canadian Junior Hockey League and that
Speaker 1: was like Cale McCart did that because he wanted to
Speaker 1: protect his NC Double A eligibility. Now in the US,
Speaker 1: there's minor hockey just like in Canada, you know, starting
Speaker 1: with sevens. Then depending on where you are in the US,
Speaker 1: you might take the route for high school or you
Speaker 1: might do triple A. Yes, because we do have Massachusetts, Minnesota, Wisconsin,
Speaker 1: a lot of great high school programs that can develop players,
Speaker 1: so that might be a place that you're doing it.
Speaker 1: There's also then the NTDP that's the National Team Development Program,
Speaker 1: so that's where Austin Matthews came. Their focus is on
Speaker 1: international competition, so that's when you're seeing these kids like
Speaker 1: winning World Juniors. Well they're coming from other teams, but
Speaker 1: it's that development team that's going out there playing a
Speaker 1: lot of those games. Then there is the UA USHL,
Speaker 1: so this is more similar to what you're seeing for
Speaker 1: the junior the major juniors they maintain their amateur status.
Speaker 1: Their focus is to prep kids for the NCAA and
Speaker 1: the NHL, and that's ages sixteen to twenty that you're
Speaker 1: playing USHL. So this is so really these are all
Speaker 1: the places that everyone's developing up through and then we
Speaker 1: meet them this past week in development camp.
Speaker 3: Fascinating.
Speaker 2: I appreciate this because I think probably like a lot
Speaker 2: of our listeners, we've heard of these different levels in leagues.
Speaker 2: So it's just fascinating to understand all the multiple layers
Speaker 2: of that.
Speaker 3: But so Mary Bell, these player development camps are happening
Speaker 3: across the league. Are they happening simultaneously to each other
Speaker 3: more or less?
Speaker 1: But there's not a requirement that they are. I think
Speaker 1: that this is my personal theory that nobody has actually
Speaker 1: confirmed this. I think that most of the teams have
Speaker 1: it right after the draft so everybody can then take
Speaker 1: time off. Yeah, it's summer.
Speaker 3: You know. The league is jamming all of these key
Speaker 3: events in very close to each other. You know, we
Speaker 3: have the draft, we have the development camp, and then
Speaker 3: it coincides with free agency, where some have said that
Speaker 3: the NHL should maybe take a page out of the
Speaker 3: NFL playbook, where the NFL is always giving you a
Speaker 3: reason to talk about them, no matter what time of
Speaker 3: the year it is. So now we're going to go
Speaker 3: from all of this happening to now having this pretty
Speaker 3: big map with not a lot that's going to go
Speaker 3: on because everyone's exhausted, right and they're taking time off.
Speaker 3: So I'm not sure that that's great for NHL business.
Speaker 3: For the people who work in hockey, whether it's for
Speaker 3: the teams or for those of us who cover it,
Speaker 3: they need a break.
Speaker 1: So I think that there's something with that. But part
Speaker 1: of the reason it's all jammed is because the season
Speaker 1: started going so long. Yeah, like we have to finish,
Speaker 1: we have to add the next piece of it. So
Speaker 1: I'm not sure what the answer is exactly. So Marrabith,
Speaker 1: let's get back down to business.
Speaker 3: I want to know from you, Marybeth, player or players
Speaker 3: in particular that stood out to you as is it
Speaker 3: plausible to think that perhaps we might see them at
Speaker 3: a professional level, either Providence Bruins, the Boston Bruins. Did
Speaker 3: anyone seem like a diamond in the.
Speaker 1: Rough to you? Will Zeller's I just every time he
Speaker 1: was on the ice, my eyes were drawn to him.
Speaker 1: I really I enjoyed watching him so much. He was
Speaker 1: ushl forward of the year and this yeraries heading to
Speaker 1: North Dakota.
Speaker 2: Totally he's off the table because as a reminder to
Speaker 2: our our listeners, if you're committed Ncuba, you quite literally
Speaker 2: are not allowed to come to rookie camp.
Speaker 1: Also really excited about Willmore. Now he's going to be
Speaker 1: a BC and he was the one who came late
Speaker 1: because he was he was the one who barely made
Speaker 1: it to camp. He was traveling with Hagan's with Hagens,
Speaker 1: Yes that's right, took them or the past for the
Speaker 1: first day They're like, no, no, we're getting on the ice.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah yeah. So he was on the national development
Speaker 1: team last year, he's heading to BC this year. Plays
Speaker 1: with so much intensity. He really is super intense, a
Speaker 1: huge competitor, really solid skills, Like he really is a
Speaker 1: great player. He did seem really coachable though, like he
Speaker 1: would you'd watch him do something, a coach would talk
Speaker 1: to him and he'd see a change. So really, like
Speaker 1: the what I'm hoping for him is that he finds
Speaker 1: some fun because I don't know that he had any
Speaker 1: fun this week. Oh out now again, I'm that fun.
Speaker 1: I think he was just so intense and so so focused. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but have some fun, friend, it's gay.
Speaker 2: Well that and that comes with age and experience. You know,
Speaker 2: when you are the young, when you're the young person
Speaker 2: in the office, you feel like you got to put
Speaker 2: in all the extra hours and do all that. But
Speaker 2: by the time you know her thirty five forty years old, you're.
Speaker 1: Like, did you try that hard? And that's where I'm
Speaker 1: sort of hopeing he'll have a little bit more fun. Yeah. Now,
Speaker 1: another one who really struck out for me was Blenar.
Speaker 1: He was the he was the one that nobody could
Speaker 1: find information on. I'm right, Richard's now it's Blenar, and
Speaker 1: I may or may not be saying it correctly. Turns
Speaker 1: out he was born in Dale, So of course I
Speaker 1: love that since I just.
Speaker 3: Is this that mystery? Check?
Speaker 1: Mary?
Speaker 2: Yeah, so so can you click can you clarify the story?
Speaker 1: Because I am super confused? What is the deal? So
Speaker 1: he was actually born here in the States. He was
Speaker 1: born in Dale. His dad had been a ski instructor
Speaker 1: in Aspen and uh something, so they when he was
Speaker 1: young overseas, so he has been over there. He was
Speaker 1: actually that's how the connection all happened here. But he's
Speaker 1: been playing for a what's essentially a major juniors in Sweden,
Speaker 1: for their U twenty professional team. Okay, so that's why
Speaker 1: people I mean. And his last name had been Richards.
Speaker 1: He was not allowed to change it until he was eighteen,
Speaker 1: so he went back to, like, I think, a more
Speaker 1: traditional family name. I think maybe this part wasn't totally
Speaker 1: clear on, but I believe his family might have changed
Speaker 1: the name when they came to the States. It's just
Speaker 1: something more traditional in the family, or may have been
Speaker 1: his mother's family name. Got it.
Speaker 2: And so he played for the league that like Pasta
Speaker 2: played in, right, Yeah.
Speaker 1: Well his plays that for the U twenty Swedish He
Speaker 1: was to me the unexpected surprise. Oh he just he
Speaker 1: has a great shot, smooth skating, really good put handling,
Speaker 1: really quick, just a great player. Obviously, I'm saying all this,
Speaker 1: all these wonderful things about these guys. They're all still developing,
Speaker 1: so they're not NHL skating, he's not NHL put handling yet.
Speaker 1: But these are players that I'm really seeing some amazing
Speaker 1: stuff from. So I'm loving these I know a lot
Speaker 1: of people are really interested in Dean Laturno. I was
Speaker 1: going to ask about him.
Speaker 3: He hadn't been so much spoken about him during his
Speaker 3: tenure at BC and his lack of development there, which
Speaker 3: I think all his issue bad luck.
Speaker 1: Suple things that have come up about him as of late.
Speaker 1: One of the things was it turns out he broke
Speaker 1: his hand had surgery around Christmas, so that kind of
Speaker 1: screwed up his season a little bit there.
Speaker 3: Now.
Speaker 1: The other thing was, so he was our number one
Speaker 1: draft pick last year in twenty twenty four. You might
Speaker 1: remember last year when I was talking about Camp, I'm like,
Speaker 1: he didn't really stand out for me Camp, extcept for
Speaker 1: his size. Yeah, a big freaking high We have a
Speaker 1: ton of them. Now, there was a lot of he
Speaker 1: did not tiewise. We have a lot of really big guys.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: It was really interesting. But I will tell you this
Speaker 1: year I did see more physicality from him, So I
Speaker 1: liked that. One of the things. A lot of people
Speaker 1: were talking about his skating, and so I kind of
Speaker 1: wanted to go in with fresh eyes and not listen
Speaker 1: to what other people had said. Yeah, he's not a
Speaker 1: very strong skater. He may have left the ECHL a
Speaker 1: little too quickly, and come up to Nyuaa before he
Speaker 1: was quite ready. The reason that happened was somebody left
Speaker 1: BC and a space opened up for him, so he
Speaker 1: came up. But he was supposed to have another year
Speaker 1: in our plan of major juniors, and so he may
Speaker 1: have come up a little too soon.
Speaker 3: He came to a team that was like stacked and yeah,
Speaker 3: you know number one and you talk about a big
Speaker 3: fish that now he's a little fish in this ginormous hand.
Speaker 3: So you know, maybe the organization was not as savvy
Speaker 3: as they should have been with the development of this player.
Speaker 3: But the fact you say he's not an impressive skater,
Speaker 3: he's gotten better. There's definitely some improvement.
Speaker 1: But but I did go in and really because of
Speaker 1: what I was hearing, I thought, let me take a
Speaker 1: closer look and like, yeah, you know, and again, I
Speaker 1: like everybody, and I'm always giving the benefit of doubt.
Speaker 4: I'm like, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, we love that about you,
Speaker 4: Mary ben I, which is why I'm like standing up
Speaker 4: and taking notice with the technique of the skating ability,
Speaker 4: which is a little bit troublesome.
Speaker 2: But you know, it's not just about your skating development,
Speaker 2: your your hockey IQ development. It's also your human brain
Speaker 2: development to be able to manage and handle and be
Speaker 2: in the pressure pot that is ahl NHL. So I'm optimistic.
Speaker 2: I'm hopeful he has a better season at BC this year.
Speaker 1: But again just remember they are also in school. When
Speaker 1: you're looking at kids juniors, their job is hockey. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but I want to talk about lo Keohans. Then he
Speaker 1: was playing with major juniors and the QMJHL. But he
Speaker 1: signed his ELC November of twenty twenty four. Yes, so
Speaker 1: for an ELC, depending on how old you are when
Speaker 1: you sign it, it can be a two year contract
Speaker 1: or it could be three years. Connor Badard because he
Speaker 1: was only eighteen and he signed his was a three
Speaker 1: year so basically just burned a year. Yes, because he
Speaker 1: signed his ELC, we will likely see him this year
Speaker 1: in either Providence or me. Saw some really good things
Speaker 1: from him. He had a really solid camp. He was
Speaker 1: a rookie kid. Welesyard and we should see him at
Speaker 1: rookie camp this year. Says he's not in c double
Speaker 1: a particularly compared to last year. I'm seeing some good
Speaker 1: things from him. He seems to have improved his skills,
Speaker 1: but he's also filled out and he seems to have
Speaker 1: more control over his body. One of the themes for
Speaker 1: me this week is all of these young men who
Speaker 1: have grown very quickly for all arms of eggs and
Speaker 1: know what to do with him.
Speaker 2: I'm all the more and again I am such a
Speaker 2: huge proponent of NC double a pathway being the fact
Speaker 2: that you get to grow into your body. These these
Speaker 2: guys are just they don't stop growing still. They're like
Speaker 2: in they're early twenty, they're still growing.
Speaker 1: So that brings me actually to Christian Kostadinski. We drafted
Speaker 1: him in twenty twenty three. He's kind of playing with
Speaker 1: the USHL, but he's heading to b C in the fall.
Speaker 1: He was at camp last year and I don't really
Speaker 1: remember much about him, but he is massive, really like
Speaker 1: six' five or bigger and about two twenty what's his?
Speaker 1: Position uh so he is actually defense but he seems
Speaker 1: to be growing into himself a little, bit but he
Speaker 1: is one who he's STILL i just felt like he
Speaker 1: was still figuring out how to use his body and
Speaker 1: how to control. Himself there was TIMES i just thought
Speaker 1: it was super awkward with the way he was. Moving
Speaker 1: and AGAIN i think it's him growing into. HIMSELF i
Speaker 1: think he needs to fill out a, little because, again
Speaker 1: these guys are all arms and all. LEGS i didn't
Speaker 1: know much about him coming, in even though he's been.
Speaker 1: Around but speaking of not strong, skaters apparently like two
Speaker 1: three years, ago he could not. Skate what right on
Speaker 1: the street is he.
Speaker 2: Was wa wait wait wait couldn't skate per that particular
Speaker 2: level or, like was really a genuinely terrible.
Speaker 1: SKATER i believe that he was generally a terrible skater
Speaker 1: from What oh my, god oh what people are telling,
Speaker 1: me BUT i have no reason to doubt my.
Speaker 3: Sources holy, mo, Wow so that's super, impressive then you
Speaker 3: Gotta i'm looking.
Speaker 1: At him And i'm going. Huh but he really is
Speaker 1: a total physical player and doesn't seem to have any
Speaker 1: quit from WHAT i saw over the four. Days my
Speaker 1: question just popped into my.
Speaker 3: Head and maybe it's a crazy, question but these players
Speaker 3: are all invited in the campus for four. Days does
Speaker 3: every player stay the entirety of the duration or are
Speaker 3: there any instances that you've encounted where it's day one day?
Speaker 3: Too and obviously there have got to be assessors on
Speaker 3: the ice to, say you know what this was? Like
Speaker 3: this might not have been a good idea to invite
Speaker 3: to have this individual.
Speaker 1: FEAR i haven't seen any evidence of, that AND i
Speaker 1: haven't heard anything like that.
Speaker 2: Happening we know that our pipeline has been absolutely.
Speaker 1: Terrible or as you, Said Maria, abysmo.
Speaker 2: How do you feel about the future For boston and
Speaker 2: if you could make a guess soon could we start
Speaker 2: to see some of those positive things that you sought
Speaker 2: this dev.
Speaker 1: Camp let's be, honest two, years three, years what your.
Speaker 1: Take i'm hoping that most of these players finish out
Speaker 1: their development at THE ncaa or juniors level as long
Speaker 1: as they. CAN i don't think there had anything to
Speaker 1: gain by rushing and jumping into THE ahl and THE.
Speaker 1: NHL i just don't based on, THAT i am guessing
Speaker 1: seeing the next three to four.
Speaker 2: Years, listeners if you're in The boston area or near
Speaker 2: any of these colleges that these players are, at go
Speaker 2: to the games. Frequently they are very inexpensive and to
Speaker 2: watch Either Hockey east or if you like to go
Speaker 2: To harvard and see some of them THAT'S, ecac but
Speaker 2: they're all really affordable to go see those. Games definitely
Speaker 2: go check these guys. Out good us, know for families,
Speaker 2: too you, know, yeah it's a great. Atmosphere go check them.
Speaker 2: Out tell us what you think during the. Season we
Speaker 2: don't want to forget about some of these players because
Speaker 2: now we are super invested in paying. Attention find us
Speaker 2: all on our. Socials and thank you, Again Maria. Mariba
Speaker 2: i'm actually excited about these young, guys but as, always
Speaker 2: thanks for listening and go be's go be
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