Boston Bruins News: Bergeron Enters Hall of Fame & Offseason Questions | Ep. 148

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0:51 Speaker 5: You're calling from the Hockey Hall of Fame and I'm

0:54 Speaker 5: here with Ron Friends, who is the chairman of the

0:56 Speaker 5: Hockey Hall of Fame Committee, and we've back from the sport.

1:05 Speaker 2: That's the thing that I come in. Welcome gradually.

1:11 Speaker 6: Oh my god, thank you so much. I mean it's

1:14 Speaker 6: never in a million years I have your imagined that.

1:17 Speaker 6: So very very thankful, really honored, very emotional right now,

1:21 Speaker 6: but yeah, thank you so much. It really means a lot,

1:25 Speaker 6: amazing news. Thank you so much.

1:27 Speaker 2: Welcome in everyone to another episode summer series of Ruins.

1:32 Speaker 2: Tape to tape. We are recording on Monday, June twenty second,

1:37 Speaker 2: which turns out it is a historical day for Patrice

1:42 Speaker 2: bergeron a historical day for the Boston Bruins franchise. As

1:47 Speaker 2: you can lean from the clip you just listened to,

1:51 Speaker 2: Patrice Spergon is now officially a member of the Hockey

1:55 Speaker 2: Hall of Fame as a first year ballatee. So before

2:00 Speaker 2: we take a deep dive into what is an exceptional

2:05 Speaker 2: career for an exceptional hockey player an exceptional person, I

2:10 Speaker 2: want to welcome in my co host Caroline with a K.

2:14 Speaker 2: Are you as excited as I am? Because I literally

2:17 Speaker 2: have goosebumps.

2:18 Speaker 3: I have watched that video. I've watched other angles of

2:22 Speaker 3: that video over and over again. I have already started

2:26 Speaker 3: to see some of the official tribute videos come in.

2:29 Speaker 3: Every time, I have literal goosebumps watching. And the first

2:33 Speaker 3: time I saw that video clip, you could hear he

2:37 Speaker 3: got choked up in that moment. Once that happened, head

2:40 Speaker 3: to toe, goosebump.

2:41 Speaker 2: I'm not gonna lie. I'm gonna top on the exterior,

2:44 Speaker 2: but a softy on the inside when it comes to

2:46 Speaker 2: things like this, And so I got a bit teary

2:49 Speaker 2: eyed for me personally, I've been watching the Boston Bruins

2:53 Speaker 2: for a very, very long time, and I have always

2:57 Speaker 2: said to friends, members of my family, other hockey fans,

3:02 Speaker 2: there are only two jersey numbers that you will ever

3:05 Speaker 2: see me wear at a TV garden game or in

3:10 Speaker 2: an alternative arena. That would be number four and number

3:14 Speaker 2: thirty seven. That's it for me. Doesn't mean it's the

3:17 Speaker 2: be all or end all, but for me personally, the

3:20 Speaker 2: moments that are special for me related to the Boston

3:24 Speaker 2: Bruins are directly related to watching Robert gordon Or and

3:29 Speaker 2: Patrice Bergel.

3:31 Speaker 3: Yeah, and what I think makes him that much more special.

3:35 Speaker 3: What I think sets Burger on apart from a lot

3:39 Speaker 3: of Hockey Hall of Famers, a lot of Bruins who

3:43 Speaker 3: have their numbers retired up in the rafters, is the

3:45 Speaker 3: fact that he is a son of the Boston Bruins.

3:49 Speaker 3: He came in as an eighteen year old one single

3:54 Speaker 3: team that entire time. That's extra special because he was

3:59 Speaker 3: able to have such a long and distinguished impact, not

4:05 Speaker 3: just on the game of hockey, not just on his

4:07 Speaker 3: position as the perfect hockey player, the pinnacle of what

4:13 Speaker 3: it means to be a center, but as a part

4:16 Speaker 3: of the Boston Bruins. What he did, how he defined

4:19 Speaker 3: what it meant to be a Bruin was really incredible

4:21 Speaker 3: because when he came in, it was during a dark period,

4:26 Speaker 3: so to speak, for the Boston Bruins. And his talent

4:31 Speaker 3: and his personality and how he approached the game, coupled

4:35 Speaker 3: with the leadership that zadano'chara brought in, really brought being

4:42 Speaker 3: a Bruins fan to a new level, what it meant

4:45 Speaker 3: to be a Bruin to a new level, and it

4:47 Speaker 3: ushered in the third Golden age of this franchise.

4:52 Speaker 2: It's amazing. He came as an eighteen year old kid

4:56 Speaker 2: who struggled a little bit with the English language, but

5:00 Speaker 2: he assimilated very well, did everything that was asked of him,

5:05 Speaker 2: never stepped outside of the bounds of being a good

5:09 Speaker 2: hockey player, a class act, a good human. I dare

5:14 Speaker 2: anyone to find anyone out there who can say anything

5:18 Speaker 2: negative about Patrice Bergeron. I think and again it sounds

5:23 Speaker 2: like we are throwing pedals at his feet, as we

5:25 Speaker 2: should no, because honestly, I've raised two hockey players. You

5:30 Speaker 2: are raising a hockey player right now. And I know

5:33 Speaker 2: there's a lot of conversation about athletes shouldn't be held

5:38 Speaker 2: as role models, right, that's not what their role is.

5:42 Speaker 2: Their role is they've been gifted with certain talents and

5:46 Speaker 2: abilities and trajectories that none of us can fathom. However,

5:51 Speaker 2: when you have a person such as Patrice Bergeron who

5:55 Speaker 2: embodies all that you want your athlete person to be,

6:01 Speaker 2: you go ahead and you emulate that person all day,

6:05 Speaker 2: every day. As far as I'm concerned.

6:07 Speaker 3: There's always been the argument, you do what it takes

6:10 Speaker 3: to win, even if it means you're not necessarily the

6:13 Speaker 3: best person or the most well liked by everybody. And

6:18 Speaker 3: to your point, that should we really be raising athletes

6:22 Speaker 3: up to be role models, because they're people, and people

6:26 Speaker 3: are flawed, and there's always going to be something about

6:29 Speaker 3: a person or how they approach life or how they

6:31 Speaker 3: approach the game that might just rub someone the wrong way.

6:35 Speaker 3: When we talk about Patrese Bergeron as the perfect player,

6:40 Speaker 3: it's almost as if he were just made to be

6:45 Speaker 3: the example that everyone really should be held up against.

6:51 Speaker 3: He's called the perfect player for a multitude of reasons.

6:54 Speaker 3: He had incredible elite offensive and elite defensive abilities. We've

7:01 Speaker 3: talked about it on this podcast so many times that

7:04 Speaker 3: the role of a center in the game of hockey

7:08 Speaker 3: isn't just to play with two forwards, but the best

7:13 Speaker 3: centers are also centering your defensive pairing, thus making two

7:18 Speaker 3: lines out there at the same time. A lot of

7:21 Speaker 3: centers specialize in one area over the other. They're either

7:25 Speaker 3: very offensive or they're very defensive. There's nothing necessarily wrong

7:28 Speaker 3: with being one or the other, but he was quite

7:30 Speaker 3: literally both. They should rename the Selki Trophy after him

7:35 Speaker 3: because he is the record number of trophies in that regard.

7:39 Speaker 2: He won six. He was nominated twelve times. I mean,

7:44 Speaker 2: it's crazy. His career was nineteen seasons and you were

7:48 Speaker 2: nominated twelve times. Yeah, a Selk He's won Olympic gold,

7:54 Speaker 2: He's won a Stanley Cup, the Triple Gold. Noah.

7:57 Speaker 3: His hockey IQ, which is something that can be incredibly

8:01 Speaker 3: difficult to really articulate and define, it was Einstein level

8:07 Speaker 3: degree of IQ. He always seemed to know exactly what

8:11 Speaker 3: was happening or was about to happen on the ice,

8:14 Speaker 3: and could put himself in that position where he knew

8:18 Speaker 3: he was needed, where he could maximize his impact and efficiency.

8:22 Speaker 3: You talked about his professionalism, and I think we have

8:26 Speaker 3: heard from countless former teammates rivals, just how professional, humble, accountable,

8:34 Speaker 3: like a good human he is. And you mentioned the

8:39 Speaker 3: Triple Gold Club where he won Stanley Cup, Olympic gold medals,

8:45 Speaker 3: World Championship gold, Junior gold. He was the only inductee

8:49 Speaker 3: this year who was eligible who was already a member

8:53 Speaker 3: of that club. His humility, even in that video is

8:58 Speaker 3: so genuine and believable because I think that's just who

9:02 Speaker 3: he is and makes seeing him get everything that he

9:07 Speaker 3: deserves that much sweeter.

9:09 Speaker 2: Even Marco Stern, you know, was because Marco played with

9:13 Speaker 2: him obviously when he was a member of the Bruins

9:16 Speaker 2: and joked about the fact that it was such an honor.

9:20 Speaker 2: Not surprised that Patrice Bergeron was nominated, but jokingly said

9:24 Speaker 2: kind of like him to come back out of retirement

9:27 Speaker 2: because he looks fit enough to be ready to play.

9:29 Speaker 2: And a former Bruins coach, Jim Montgomery, gave us the

9:33 Speaker 2: impression that Patrice Bergeron was basically running the show. Yes,

9:38 Speaker 2: I remember that was making Jim's job as a first

9:42 Speaker 2: year coach with the Bruins so easy for him. Just

9:46 Speaker 2: goes to show you the person that he is. And

9:50 Speaker 2: I think what we sometimes forget about is early in

9:54 Speaker 2: Patrese's career, he suffered a concussion that we all thought

10:00 Speaker 2: was ending his career before it even started, and I

10:04 Speaker 2: believe it was back in two thousand and seven. We

10:07 Speaker 2: were worried it was another Eric Lindross situation. He was

10:11 Speaker 2: knocked unconscious, he was carried off the ice. He did

10:15 Speaker 2: not play the remainder of that season, and there was

10:18 Speaker 2: a great deal of concern as to whether this young

10:23 Speaker 2: player who we had such high hopes for was going

10:26 Speaker 2: to be able to come back and play this game

10:29 Speaker 2: at the same level. You know, and let's not forget

10:32 Speaker 2: that there was a Stanley Cup Finals against the Chicago

10:36 Speaker 2: Blackhawks where this is what.

10:39 Speaker 3: Makes him just enough level by thirteen, right, he played

10:43 Speaker 3: Game six, Game six we weren't and Game six ended.

10:47 Speaker 3: We don't need to go into the sympathetic details of

10:51 Speaker 3: how Game six ended. The Bruins were trying to force

10:54 Speaker 3: a Game seven to go back to Chicago. Blackhawks ended

10:59 Speaker 3: up poisting the stated only Cup on Tidgarden Ice, but

11:02 Speaker 3: later in the evening the terrees Bergeron was immediately transported

11:07 Speaker 3: to mass General Hospital because he was playing with a

11:11 Speaker 3: separated shoulder, a punctured one and a fractured rip.

11:15 Speaker 2: Correct. Now there's speculation about whether or not he would

11:19 Speaker 2: have been able to play Game seven, but this just

11:22 Speaker 2: shows the degree to which you know he put himself

11:27 Speaker 2: in and just talke players in general, that trophy needs

11:31 Speaker 2: that much to them. But for him to have played

11:35 Speaker 2: with those types of injuries to be available to his

11:40 Speaker 2: teammates speaks volumes exactly.

11:43 Speaker 3: So he's not the only one who got selected, but

11:47 Speaker 3: he is not Days and days.

11:49 Speaker 2: No, we could, and but we won't because there's going

11:51 Speaker 2: to be a celebration exclusively for Pateres at some point

11:56 Speaker 2: during the twenty twenty six twenty twenty seven season by

11:59 Speaker 2: the Austin Ruins. But I will say I was a

12:03 Speaker 2: little surprised by the other members of this class of

12:07 Speaker 2: the Hall of Base because I didn't see this coming.

12:10 Speaker 3: As a quick refresher on how voting happens, you create

12:17 Speaker 3: value and desirability by limiting how many people can go

12:20 Speaker 3: into the Hall in any given year. When it comes

12:23 Speaker 3: to players, the maximum number of male players that can

12:27 Speaker 3: be inducted right now is four, so up to four

12:32 Speaker 3: men and up to two women, and this year they

12:37 Speaker 3: opted for three male players. And one female player. What's

12:43 Speaker 3: amazing is the fact that the other two players are goaltenders,

12:48 Speaker 3: and I love that we had.

12:50 Speaker 2: Talked off fair about who we thought would make the cut,

12:54 Speaker 2: so to speak. And I don't think I had either

12:57 Speaker 2: of these two goalies, to be perfectly honest with you,

13:00 Speaker 2: on my radar. Perhaps not this year, but eventually eventually, Yes,

13:07 Speaker 2: the two players being Carrie Price, who is.

13:10 Speaker 3: Arguably the Canadian's most impactful goaltender since Patrick Waugh himself,

13:18 Speaker 3: and then the other player, Pecorinna from the Nashville Predators.

13:22 Speaker 3: I gotta tell you, I had not heard that name,

13:26 Speaker 3: thought of that name in what seems like a lifetime.

13:31 Speaker 2: So to your point, to have two goalies in there,

13:34 Speaker 2: and there were a lot of goalies on the list,

13:36 Speaker 2: two performer Bruins as well. Tim Thomas was on the

13:40 Speaker 2: list and Brian Miller was on There were a lot

13:44 Speaker 2: of goaltending candidates.

13:46 Speaker 3: Yeah. Look, goalies always kind of get the short shrift

13:50 Speaker 3: when it comes to getting inducted to the Hall of Fame.

13:52 Speaker 3: We talked about it in our previous episode about how

13:55 Speaker 3: much harder that position is because you're held to just

13:58 Speaker 3: such an incredible standard very frequently and I thought it

14:01 Speaker 3: was exciting to see that Carrie Price got in. I'm

14:04 Speaker 3: always going to root against the habs, but as you

14:07 Speaker 3: and I have said many times, we are okay with

14:12 Speaker 3: some degree of success on behalf of the Montreal Canadians

14:17 Speaker 3: if that means that the rivalry is fed and fossed.

14:21 Speaker 7: Correct, correct, And I will often also say that I

14:26 Speaker 7: can very much so be a fan of a team's goaltender,

14:30 Speaker 7: separate from being any sort of fan or supporter of

14:34 Speaker 7: said team.

14:35 Speaker 2: We can appreciate, right, despite what our differences are from

14:40 Speaker 2: team to team or whatever the rivalry is. You're can

14:43 Speaker 2: appreciate greatness when you see it. You can appreciate seeing

14:48 Speaker 2: an honest effort on the ice.

14:51 Speaker 3: Yes, a little bit of a rundown. Let's talk first

14:55 Speaker 3: about Carrie Price. Since we're talking about him. He in

15:00 Speaker 3: twenty fifteen. He has a gold medal, no Stanley Cups,

15:04 Speaker 3: but a career save percentage of nine to seventeen.

15:07 Speaker 2: He helped the Canadians reach the Stanley Cup final. In

15:10 Speaker 2: twenty twenty one. He won the Bezna Trophy and the

15:15 Speaker 2: Heart Trophy, both in the same year. So not only

15:19 Speaker 2: was he given the NOD as the Best Goalie during

15:21 Speaker 2: the twenty fourteen twenty fifteen season. He also won the

15:25 Speaker 2: Most Valuable Player that same year.

15:27 Speaker 3: Yes, and he at one point, don't forget he was

15:32 Speaker 3: the highest paid center ever.

15:36 Speaker 2: Correct was from one of the most astronomical contracts ever seen. Insane.

15:43 Speaker 3: He signed his eight year, eighty four million dollar extension

15:47 Speaker 3: in twenty seventeen, and the deal carried a ten point

15:50 Speaker 3: five million average annual value. This is going to be

15:53 Speaker 3: one of those that goes down in history a little

15:56 Speaker 3: bit like the Rick dy Pietro contract from twenty six

16:00 Speaker 3: The Islanders signed Dphro to a fifteen year can you imagine,

16:04 Speaker 3: ten year, sixty seven point five million dollar contract worth

16:10 Speaker 3: four point five million annually. It was the longest contract

16:14 Speaker 3: in NHL history at the time, and so they were

16:17 Speaker 3: paying him even after he retired, up until twenty twenty one. However,

16:23 Speaker 3: because he carry Price had a right knee injury issue.

16:30 Speaker 3: It started as a tormentiscus turned into severe cartilage damage.

16:34 Speaker 3: He opted to not go into the surgery, et cetera.

16:38 Speaker 3: Knees on a goalie, hips on a goalie, forget about it.

16:41 Speaker 3: But because of the weird way that he retired but

16:44 Speaker 3: didn't retire, Like everybody was like, he's done playing, but

16:47 Speaker 3: he's not actually retired, So that way he could then

16:50 Speaker 3: continue to be paid. So his salary was on the

16:53 Speaker 3: books after he actually stopped playing, and at the very

16:58 Speaker 3: end of his contract. If you recall, and you may

17:01 Speaker 3: see a little bit of this joke going around the league,

17:04 Speaker 3: I believe San Jose's most famous goalie that never played

17:09 Speaker 3: because at one point, at the very end, the Habs

17:12 Speaker 3: had to unload that contract and San Jose needed to

17:15 Speaker 3: be above the floor.

17:17 Speaker 2: And so san Jose still has one more season, there's

17:21 Speaker 2: still technically paying carry Price. Carry Price had some demons

17:25 Speaker 2: that he was dealing with, which prompted him to step

17:29 Speaker 2: away from the game to address his own mental well being,

17:33 Speaker 2: which is understandable, right, It's a real thing, folks. Mental

17:37 Speaker 2: health issues are real and they can have a varying

17:41 Speaker 2: degree of impact on individuals. You know, he's a guy.

17:46 Speaker 2: He's a guy. I wouldn't have been upset to see

17:49 Speaker 2: him twist to Stanley Pup because man, he was a

17:52 Speaker 2: friggin gamer. Yes, Like, how many times did those Canadians

17:57 Speaker 2: break the hearts of the Boston Brwards with him? And

18:00 Speaker 2: that I don't know how many times I'd be watching

18:02 Speaker 2: games saying, why can't we figure this guy out? Why

18:05 Speaker 2: can't we get anything by the sky? Yeah?

18:09 Speaker 3: From twenty thirteen to twenty seventeen, he was arguably the

18:14 Speaker 3: best goalie in the world. That's why he got that

18:18 Speaker 3: massive contract. He was nearly textbook in terms of his technique.

18:25 Speaker 3: He was exceptional with his positioning. He hardly wasted any movement.

18:31 Speaker 3: He could track that puck like a heat seeking missile.

18:35 Speaker 3: I mean, it's that era of goaltender that certainly no

18:38 Speaker 3: longer exists in the NHL, and I think, in goodness,

18:42 Speaker 3: two years we're gonna see this conversation come right back

18:47 Speaker 3: around when the last of those goaltenders reaches eligibility in

18:53 Speaker 3: Marc Andre Fleury.

18:54 Speaker 2: But Peppa REMEI Yeah, there's no disputing the importance Hecrone

19:01 Speaker 2: had as a member of the National Predators.

19:04 Speaker 3: First of all, he was huge, six foot five during

19:07 Speaker 3: a time when goalies still were not giants, two.

19:10 Speaker 2: Hundred and seventeen pounds huge. Another guy who started and

19:15 Speaker 2: finished his career with the same franchise, YEP, leading them

19:20 Speaker 2: to some pretty memorable seasons, and he was drafted two

19:25 Speaker 2: hundred and fifty eighth overall, which is the eighth round,

19:28 Speaker 2: by the way, in two thousand and four, and so

19:30 Speaker 2: I think that's what makes his success that much more awesome.

19:35 Speaker 2: It's awesome to see with a nine to seventeen career

19:38 Speaker 2: safe percentage, he won a Vesna in twenty eighteen three

19:40 Speaker 2: hundred and sixty nine wins. Anytime an NHL goalie can

19:44 Speaker 2: get you three hundred wins, I mean, that's an incredible achievement.

19:47 Speaker 2: Three hundred is really when you start to get into

19:50 Speaker 2: elite territory.

19:51 Speaker 3: And he was a very athletic and explosive goaltender. He

19:57 Speaker 3: was very aggressive in the butterfly fantas past sick with

20:00 Speaker 3: the glove hand, I mean again being so huge. His

20:03 Speaker 3: reach was just outrageous, and he led the Nashville Predators

20:09 Speaker 3: to their first conference final and their first Stanley Cup

20:12 Speaker 3: Final in twenty seventeen. I think he's an I don't

20:15 Speaker 3: want to say that he's underrated, because obviously he's just

20:18 Speaker 3: now gotten some incredible recognition by getting into the hall.

20:22 Speaker 3: But I think he's a great role model for young

20:27 Speaker 3: kids goalies in the sense that, look, you don't have

20:30 Speaker 3: to come out looking perfect like Carrie Price when you start,

20:35 Speaker 3: you can still be a phenomenal goaltender. You can achieve

20:39 Speaker 3: a lot of amazing things even as an imperfect goalie.

20:43 Speaker 3: And starting from literally the bottom eighth round right right,

20:47 Speaker 3: going really far. You know, no Stanley cups, but it

20:50 Speaker 3: is not the end.

20:51 Speaker 2: All be all. His numbers alone, his impact to the

20:55 Speaker 2: success of that franchise, yeah, seemingly is enough get him

21:00 Speaker 2: the nod into the Hall of Fame for sure. Then

21:03 Speaker 2: we have a young lady, Cindy Curley. I'll let you

21:07 Speaker 2: speak to her.

21:08 Speaker 3: Cindy Curley. She's a throwback a little bit. And you

21:11 Speaker 3: have to keep in mind with the recent success and

21:16 Speaker 3: growth and development of the PWHL and I just posted

21:20 Speaker 3: on our sub stack a little bit of information just

21:23 Speaker 3: about pathway for women in professional hockey. But the ceiling

21:28 Speaker 3: that has consistently been raised over and over again for

21:32 Speaker 3: women in hockey, And so we're probably still a number

21:35 Speaker 3: of years away from some of the most famously well

21:40 Speaker 3: known current modern day women getting into the Hall. But

21:44 Speaker 3: she's an earlier pioneer. She played at Providence College back

21:49 Speaker 3: in the mid eighties. But she was the captain of

21:51 Speaker 3: the US women's national team. You know, women didn't play

21:55 Speaker 3: at the Olympics, which is arguably the crown jewel of

21:59 Speaker 3: international plays, until nineteen ninety eight, so outside of her

22:02 Speaker 3: time period, but there was still international play. So she

22:06 Speaker 3: was the captain of the US women's national team from

22:09 Speaker 3: nineteen eighty nine to nineteen ninety six. She competed in

22:12 Speaker 3: the first official IIHF Women's World Championships in nineteen ninety

22:17 Speaker 3: So if you think about it, you know, and again

22:20 Speaker 3: I highly recommend reading my recent post on the Substack

22:24 Speaker 3: about the pathway to the PWHL for women. Women have

22:27 Speaker 3: been playing hockey on college campuses since the late eighteen hundreds,

22:31 Speaker 3: the same amount of time as men, but women's varsity

22:34 Speaker 3: college hockey came about in the nineteen sixties and really

22:37 Speaker 3: started to Then the next level was the IIAJF, which

22:42 Speaker 3: happened in nineteen ninety and then in nineteen ninety eight

22:45 Speaker 3: in Nagow, and then today's PWHL. And so she was

22:50 Speaker 3: part of one of those firsts which was the international play,

22:54 Speaker 3: and the nineteen ninety World Championship was absolute historic. It

22:59 Speaker 3: was the inaugural women's World Championships. It was in Ottawa.

23:03 Speaker 3: She produced one of the greatest tournaments. Ever, she had

23:06 Speaker 3: eleven goals, twelve assists, twenty three points in five games,

23:10 Speaker 3: just five games, like even goals in five games. Now, yes, okay,

23:14 Speaker 3: there's gonna be women's hockey haters out there. Well, but

23:17 Speaker 3: how many other teams were they playing against that could

23:19 Speaker 3: have possibly been good?

23:20 Speaker 2: It doesn't matter, It doesn't matter.

23:22 Speaker 3: Eleven goals for crying out loud, Those totals remained single

23:25 Speaker 3: tournament records at the Women's World Championship to this day

23:28 Speaker 3: in twenty twenty six. She entered the US Hockey Hall

23:31 Speaker 3: of Fame in twenty thirteen, and so she is rightly

23:33 Speaker 3: so a member of the twenty twenty six Hockey Hall

23:37 Speaker 3: of Fame Class of Women because she had such an

23:41 Speaker 3: incredible impact at one of those ceiling stages of women's hockey,

23:45 Speaker 3: leading us to eventually.

23:47 Speaker 2: Somebody has to be the pioneer for exactly things grow

23:52 Speaker 2: and change and be open and accessible, right, and she

23:57 Speaker 2: is clearly one of those women. Hey, the way for

24:02 Speaker 2: what we're seeing now in the fact that there is

24:05 Speaker 2: a professional women's hockey league set is growing, it's expanding, players.

24:11 Speaker 3: Like Camer Gernado and Haley Wickanizer and Angela James, Hillary Knight,

24:16 Speaker 3: all of these women, they have had the opportunity and

24:21 Speaker 3: the ability to play in these international tournaments and these

24:24 Speaker 3: professional leagues because of the foundations that were laid by

24:29 Speaker 3: women like Curly. She was a pioneer. She helped grow

24:32 Speaker 3: women's hockey long before there were Olympics for women and

24:35 Speaker 3: the professional leagues. And so she's I mean, she's a

24:38 Speaker 3: Massachusetts native too, by the way, So for New England

24:41 Speaker 3: hockey fans, she is arguably one of the greatest players

24:44 Speaker 3: to ever come out of women's hockey in Massachusetts.

24:47 Speaker 2: I love it.

24:47 Speaker 3: I didn't know much about her, I'm sorry to say,

24:50 Speaker 3: but when I've learned about her, what I've learned has

24:53 Speaker 3: been very admirable.

24:55 Speaker 2: No, and I mean You're not alone. I didn't know

24:57 Speaker 2: much about her either, and I'm sure that there are

24:59 Speaker 2: many Pucky fans out there who are starting to pay

25:04 Speaker 2: more attention learn more about the women's game. Looking back

25:08 Speaker 2: on how did we get where we are now? Who's

25:12 Speaker 2: paved the way for these young college athletes now to know, Hey,

25:17 Speaker 2: this I could potentially play professionally. And then we have

25:22 Speaker 2: Keith Kuchuk. Now this has been well we have to

25:26 Speaker 2: because this is going to segue into a lot of

25:30 Speaker 2: big NHL news that has happened in recent days. Yes,

25:36 Speaker 2: so it's been a big week for the Kuchuk family.

25:40 Speaker 3: Yes, for that family in particular. I was honestly a

25:43 Speaker 3: little bit surprised. I mean, I know that he had

25:46 Speaker 3: a very particular reputation. I remember him playing back in

25:50 Speaker 3: the day, but that one was a little bit of

25:52 Speaker 3: a surprise. I guess that was the one I forget. See,

25:55 Speaker 3: I didn't even remember that he was in.

25:57 Speaker 2: You had to because you walk out anything having to

25:59 Speaker 2: do any Kuchuks.

26:01 Speaker 3: I do, because they hate him so much. I'm okay

26:03 Speaker 3: with you calling me out on that bias.

26:05 Speaker 2: I know it's a fact. That's just how you roll.

26:08 Speaker 3: It's as how I am.

26:09 Speaker 2: I hate him so much, But we need to talk

26:11 Speaker 2: about him in our next segment, which is all the

26:13 Speaker 2: news that has built up. Obviously, the headline news is

26:18 Speaker 2: the Hockey Hall of Fame and he Kuchuk, father of

26:22 Speaker 2: Matt and Brady Kuchuk, is now a member of the

26:26 Speaker 2: Hockey Hall of Fame class of twenty twenty six.

26:30 Speaker 3: What is interesting about Keith Kuchuk. I remember him from

26:35 Speaker 3: the later part of his career in my mind, and

26:38 Speaker 3: I don't know if this is universal. I think of him,

26:41 Speaker 3: I think of the Saint Louis Blues. But he did

26:45 Speaker 3: play for four teams over the course of eighteen seasons,

26:48 Speaker 3: so five hundred and thirty eight goals, five hundred and

26:51 Speaker 3: twenty seven assists, one thousand and sixty five points over

26:56 Speaker 3: twenty two hundred penalty minutes. He became only the fourth

27:00 Speaker 3: American born player to reach five hundred goals and one

27:03 Speaker 3: of the first great US power forwards. And again, I

27:07 Speaker 3: remember him from later in his career, so he's one

27:11 Speaker 3: that I probably couldn't necessarily appreciate anyway. He if I

27:17 Speaker 3: didn't have my bias.

27:18 Speaker 2: I do remember his play. I do, and I know

27:21 Speaker 2: he was a tough sob he was a power.

27:25 Speaker 3: Forward during the time period where that was what you

27:30 Speaker 3: wanted to be. I mean, think cam Neely. He is

27:33 Speaker 3: the archetype for the power forward, and so that's what

27:37 Speaker 3: made him particularly effective because a power forward isn't just

27:41 Speaker 3: an enforcer, but a power forward is an enforcer who

27:45 Speaker 3: has that goal scoring ability just like any other elite

27:49 Speaker 3: goalscorer of today. That's why they don't exist, because those

27:52 Speaker 3: elite goal scorers of today have kind of taken over,

27:55 Speaker 3: and that's the new trend for goal scoring.

27:57 Speaker 2: The local boy he was fro Melroseman, Massachusetts, two hundred

28:01 Speaker 2: and thirty five pounds, skating down on you. Okay, yes,

28:05 Speaker 2: tell me you're not going to get the hell out

28:07 Speaker 2: of the way when you see that coming at you.

28:09 Speaker 2: But there you have it, folks, the Class of twenty

28:12 Speaker 2: twenty six Hall of Famers. There you have it. So

28:16 Speaker 2: now we just need to talk about all of the

28:19 Speaker 2: chaos that has started to ensue within the league now

28:24 Speaker 2: that the Stanley Cup Finals are over. I don't know

28:27 Speaker 2: the Carolina Hurricanes are still partying, but they're having a time,

28:31 Speaker 2: as they well should. But there's been a great deal

28:34 Speaker 2: of news happening in the league that we are going

28:38 Speaker 2: to talk about with our remaining time during this episode.

28:42 Speaker 3: Let's hope it's a little bit more of an exciting

28:45 Speaker 3: off season than last year, because last year felt a

28:48 Speaker 3: little underwhelming.

28:50 Speaker 2: Well, it's been exciting for some teams, but I have

28:53 Speaker 2: a funny feeling that it won't be overly exciting for

28:58 Speaker 2: the Boston Ruins. But we shall. We have so much

29:01 Speaker 2: to talk about. There have been trades made, already, there

29:06 Speaker 2: have been coaching hires made already, teams are getting prepared

29:12 Speaker 2: for the draft, which is happening on June twenty six.

29:16 Speaker 2: And just a little bit of housekeeping for our listeners.

29:21 Speaker 2: For next week's episode, we are going to be re

29:24 Speaker 2: airing an episode that we had done last season as

29:27 Speaker 2: we're approaching development camp, so we're going to bring that

29:31 Speaker 2: episode back to light. And then our official season four

29:36 Speaker 2: starts July seven. We've got free agency that starts July first.

29:40 Speaker 2: The draft will have come and gone by then. We

29:43 Speaker 2: talked about in the intro. There's been a lot happening

29:46 Speaker 2: since the Carolina Hurricanes won the Stanley Cup, and congratulations.

29:52 Speaker 2: They were a freaking well oiled machine. I have to

29:55 Speaker 2: give them credit, and I honestly didn't mind seeing Taylor

29:59 Speaker 2: Hall the Stanley cupp. We also had some retirement news.

30:04 Speaker 2: Donathan Tabes is following it a career. Yep.

30:08 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's not too surprising. I feel so bad for

30:12 Speaker 3: him in some regards, and that his career was derailed

30:17 Speaker 3: pretty significantly because of long COVID.

30:20 Speaker 2: He would have been a guy that I would have guessed,

30:22 Speaker 2: I would have put money on the fact that he

30:24 Speaker 2: would have retired. Had fallen differently for him, he would

30:29 Speaker 2: have retired as a Chicago Blackhawk.

30:32 Speaker 3: Yeah, and the only thing that surprised me was the

30:35 Speaker 3: fact that he made an announcement about it, because I

30:38 Speaker 3: also forgot that he was forgot he was in Winnipeg. Yes,

30:43 Speaker 3: this is a guy who he had a very impressive

30:46 Speaker 3: career a number of Stanley Cups.

30:48 Speaker 2: Wasn't he referred to as Captain Clutch?

30:51 Speaker 3: But it would be remiss to not mention the fact

30:54 Speaker 3: that some of his legacy is slightly tarnished because he

30:58 Speaker 3: came from a team where there was the Kyle Beach incident.

31:03 Speaker 3: Sadly that did happen during his tenure as during his captaincy,

31:07 Speaker 3: So to what degree was he complicit in knowing? And

31:11 Speaker 3: unfortunately that's always gonna mark his legacy. But it's two

31:15 Speaker 3: things can be true, right, that happened, and you can

31:17 Speaker 3: feel sorry for someone that their career had to be

31:21 Speaker 3: ended because of long term COVID and it's just not

31:24 Speaker 3: the way you would want to see somebody go out.

31:27 Speaker 2: And the length to which he went to heal himself

31:30 Speaker 2: in order to come back to play, you wanted to

31:33 Speaker 2: keep playing. And now we get down to trades that

31:37 Speaker 2: are happening, and I want to jump to what I

31:41 Speaker 2: think is friggin' blockbuster trade.

31:43 Speaker 4: YEA.

31:45 Speaker 2: So for any of you who haven't been paying attention

31:48 Speaker 2: or you're taking the summer off, which I don't blame you,

31:52 Speaker 2: Brady Kutchuk is now a Florida Panther. You want to

31:55 Speaker 2: talk about worst kept secrets like we were saying about

31:59 Speaker 2: Patrice Berger, I know, right.

32:01 Speaker 3: Literally, nobody should have been shocked. I think we knew

32:05 Speaker 3: a couple of seasons ago after his brother Matthew was

32:10 Speaker 3: doing really well in Florida, and this has been their

32:12 Speaker 3: lead up to their first Stanley Cup appearance and then

32:16 Speaker 3: of course the subsequent two Cup wins. We all knew

32:19 Speaker 3: that he wanted to go there. There was speculation even

32:23 Speaker 3: on other podcasts and from other analysts who already started

32:28 Speaker 3: to look at the numbers back in March. I saw

32:30 Speaker 3: from what chaos after the trade deadline was looking at

32:34 Speaker 3: what's available for CAP and looking at who's got to

32:36 Speaker 3: be signed. Nobody's shocked. I think the only part for

32:41 Speaker 3: me that was a little bit surprising is just how

32:46 Speaker 3: good the return was that Ottawa won that trade.

32:49 Speaker 2: In my opinion, when you lose a cornerstone piece like

32:52 Speaker 2: Brady Kutchu. I mean, let's face fat, he was being

32:55 Speaker 2: paid as a kind of a franchise altering player, right

32:59 Speaker 2: he was there. Captain, the general manager and Brady Kuchuk

33:03 Speaker 2: himself as early as April were trying to debunk all

33:07 Speaker 2: these stories about him wanting out of Ottawa and his

33:11 Speaker 2: commitment to the team, and even the general manager called it,

33:15 Speaker 2: quote unquote nonsense. Right, But we've all learned, We've been

33:18 Speaker 2: sports fans long enough to know that they could say

33:22 Speaker 2: whatever they want. But when bush comes to shove, it's

33:25 Speaker 2: still a business, and teams and players are going to

33:28 Speaker 2: make decisions that are in their best business interest. What

33:34 Speaker 2: troubles need now is the pattern that I'm seeing in

33:38 Speaker 2: that there only seem to be in the National Hockey

33:42 Speaker 2: League three wanted destinations for players to go to Florida, Vegas,

33:49 Speaker 2: and Minnesota. Every time you hear about one of these

33:52 Speaker 2: notable players wanting to make a change, those are the

33:56 Speaker 2: teams that consistently come up. And wasn't even on Brady

34:01 Speaker 2: Kochuk's rada in terms of teams that he wanted to

34:05 Speaker 2: be traded to. And I know there was sports talk

34:07 Speaker 2: show fodder about that. But I think that's what I

34:11 Speaker 2: worry about in terms of you get to a point

34:14 Speaker 2: and you want to go where you believe and you

34:17 Speaker 2: think you have the best chance of winning and succeeding.

34:21 Speaker 2: There are financial reasons that I know Florida and Vegas

34:25 Speaker 2: are prime destinations because of the tax or no tax implications.

34:30 Speaker 2: But how do you end up standing a chance to

34:33 Speaker 2: compete and getting a lid of these guys.

34:35 Speaker 3: Yeah, So in the case of Brady Kuchuk, he wasn't

34:38 Speaker 3: going to go anywhere except for Florida, So nobody else

34:41 Speaker 3: had a shot because that's the only place that he

34:43 Speaker 3: was going to go.

34:43 Speaker 2: Honestly, he said, there were other teams. But if you

34:46 Speaker 2: haven't ality. But you know what, and I know we

34:49 Speaker 2: have different opinions on the Kutchuk brothers. I would still

34:53 Speaker 2: take them on my team. Okay, I would still take

34:55 Speaker 2: them on my team. I'd be lying if I didn't

34:58 Speaker 2: say I wouldn't take them on my team. But if

35:01 Speaker 2: you have an opportunity to go and play with your sibling,

35:05 Speaker 2: why not take it. The Fillino brothers are together in Minnesota, right.

35:10 Speaker 2: That was the other thing.

35:11 Speaker 3: Right when you look at the trade with uncle Nick

35:13 Speaker 3: going to Minnesota again, his brother.

35:16 Speaker 2: Is there, right.

35:17 Speaker 3: I wouldn't be shocked if at some point we see

35:21 Speaker 3: one of the New Jersey Hughes go to Minnesota because

35:25 Speaker 3: that's where Quinn is, right. So I think part of

35:28 Speaker 3: this is a little bit of a coincidence. Maybe what

35:33 Speaker 3: we see is implicit bias. Of course they're all going there,

35:37 Speaker 3: but they also have personal connections to those places, so

35:40 Speaker 3: that could be a thing. I'm not saying you're wrong.

35:43 Speaker 3: I'm just saying it all looks very convenient. But it

35:46 Speaker 3: just goes to show the Florida Panthers are not afraid

35:51 Speaker 3: to make a big deal to part with all of

35:53 Speaker 3: those draft picks. I think the Ottawa Senators were trying

35:57 Speaker 3: to hold out for an active player on the Panthers' rosters,

36:01 Speaker 3: and the Panthers were like, yeah, no way, Jose, but

36:04 Speaker 3: gave them all of those draft picks in Regia because

36:09 Speaker 3: they didn't like being on the sidelines watching what was happening.

36:14 Speaker 3: And they have is a bil Zito who's there, Sam

36:17 Speaker 3: right afraid? It is not afraid, And I think this

36:22 Speaker 3: was a perfect storm. My understanding and reading the situation,

36:26 Speaker 3: Brady probably has been looking for ways to make it

36:31 Speaker 3: happen so he can go and play with his brother.

36:33 Speaker 3: And if Ottawa wasn't going to be able to get

36:38 Speaker 3: a body in return, then it worked out that Brady

36:43 Speaker 3: was willing to leave and leave with his contract dollars

36:48 Speaker 3: in an effort to potentially make a real hard run

36:53 Speaker 3: at getting Jason Robertson, who is expensive, very inighensive.

36:59 Speaker 2: I did read somewhere don't be surprised if the Ottawa

37:04 Speaker 2: Senators put in a massive potential offera sheet on Jason Robertson,

37:09 Speaker 2: which I love that kind of crap. I say, do

37:11 Speaker 2: it right, You've seen our last note, like enough of

37:17 Speaker 2: this being cordial with each other, can do it.

37:20 Speaker 3: And so the other thing that has driven me a

37:22 Speaker 3: little bit nuts about the free agency in the last

37:26 Speaker 3: couple of seasons, and I want to say that I

37:28 Speaker 3: heard in a thirty two Thoughts episode from freege the

37:33 Speaker 3: league I think wants to move away from the what

37:38 Speaker 3: they call the sign and trade, which also drives me

37:41 Speaker 3: out because it's technically a trade and sign, but whatever

37:44 Speaker 3: the concept of the sign and trade because it's flirting

37:49 Speaker 3: with tampering, because how do you do that if you're

37:52 Speaker 3: not having a conversation about the sign right exactly. So

37:57 Speaker 3: what happened with Mitch Marner the fact that he was

38:00 Speaker 3: going to be eligible to go onto the market and

38:03 Speaker 3: he never even did because he got traded and then

38:06 Speaker 3: signed an extension. No one else had.

38:09 Speaker 2: A chance because no, And we want the drama about entertained, Yeah,

38:15 Speaker 2: we want the drama. Let's fact, like I want to

38:18 Speaker 2: see an OPERASTI if Ottawa wants to throw a boat

38:21 Speaker 2: look and let you know, Grady a little bit of

38:23 Speaker 2: an in Ottawa because they had that entire station with

38:28 Speaker 2: Lise Omark and all of the bullshit that was being

38:31 Speaker 2: spread out that and you know, Brady being a captain

38:35 Speaker 2: having to stand up there and answer those you know,

38:39 Speaker 2: family members being nonsense. Right, the fact that it was

38:45 Speaker 2: made the Clino despite everything that they was pretty significant accomplished.

38:51 Speaker 2: I know, you know, some people expected them to make

38:54 Speaker 2: a little bit more noise. Brady had absolutely no. He

38:58 Speaker 2: took full to his credit, he took fuld when when

39:02 Speaker 2: they got ousted. Absolutely and complete shift of it, which

39:07 Speaker 2: any good Cabrae.

39:08 Speaker 3: No, definitely, Although I will say I don't feel bad

39:12 Speaker 3: for him at all because he then had his father

39:15 Speaker 3: on his podcast and let his dad go off about

39:19 Speaker 3: soft players with mental health issues and didn't say anything

39:23 Speaker 3: when he knew he had to know why his goalie

39:28 Speaker 3: had to leave at the end of the game because

39:30 Speaker 3: he was having panic attacks out there. He had the

39:33 Speaker 3: year he deserved.

39:34 Speaker 2: Yeah, that was that was a bad look.

39:36 Speaker 3: No one was slanderliness to me. Nobody slander's leaders.

39:40 Speaker 2: And you know what, maybe after the podcast, the boys

39:43 Speaker 2: said to dad, why the hell did you say that?

39:45 Speaker 2: You know, they didn't want to embarrass their father on air.

39:48 Speaker 3: They could have cut it. Why not cut it?

39:51 Speaker 2: He agreed? I think he agreed. I'm still saying. I'm

39:55 Speaker 2: still saying I would take them on my team.

39:58 Speaker 3: But looking at the trades that have already happened so far,

40:02 Speaker 3: of the big ones of any sort of notable names,

40:05 Speaker 3: only one of them has resulted in players swapping, So

40:11 Speaker 3: Simon Benoit and Joseph Wall I thought were pretty sizable

40:15 Speaker 3: initial trades. That was really the one that kind of

40:18 Speaker 3: kicked off the trading post Cup before free agencies. The

40:22 Speaker 3: other big trade that was also a sign and trade

40:25 Speaker 3: also involved Toronto, and that was with Darren Radish. Between

40:30 Speaker 3: Tampa and Toronto.

40:32 Speaker 2: They better not be more.

40:33 Speaker 3: Of these because nobody likes these.

40:35 Speaker 2: No, it's kind of a snoozefest. But I mean, I

40:38 Speaker 2: would like to see our team do any trade at

40:41 Speaker 2: this point. And I know that Pablzaka's name is coming

40:44 Speaker 2: up a bit in the rumor.

40:47 Speaker 3: Mel Yep and Laura and the Bruins have participated in

40:52 Speaker 3: a trade thus far, Andre Gasso and a fourth round

40:57 Speaker 3: for this year's twenty six draft when to San Jose

41:02 Speaker 3: in exchange for two picks for this year that were

41:06 Speaker 3: originally owned by Florida and also by Montreal.

41:11 Speaker 2: Mason Lorii's name is coming up again too as potential trade,

41:16 Speaker 2: and I saw one and I hope this was a joke,

41:19 Speaker 2: a straight up exchange Wari for Darnell Nurse. Okay, what

41:26 Speaker 2: are we doing here?

41:27 Speaker 1: Oh good?

41:30 Speaker 3: Oh god.

41:31 Speaker 2: And that's another topic of conversation we need to talk about,

41:35 Speaker 2: because we just touched upon the fact that Leafs finally

41:38 Speaker 2: filled their coaching vacancy. Right now is only one coaching

41:42 Speaker 2: vacancy left and that is the Edmonton Oilers. And tell

41:46 Speaker 2: me that they can't be serious about hiring like that.

41:51 Speaker 2: I mean, I do believe in second chances and people

41:54 Speaker 2: learning lessons, but this guy has never changed, but never

41:58 Speaker 2: never changed. Point don't you have to look and say

42:02 Speaker 2: a leopard never changes his.

42:04 Speaker 3: Spots And he's not even and he's he's not. It's

42:08 Speaker 3: not like Tortorella, who can be an ass, or Cassidy,

42:12 Speaker 3: who could be a real jerk and a hard ass.

42:15 Speaker 3: Those men have cups. They have gone deep into playoffs

42:19 Speaker 3: many times in their career. Mike Babcock has really not

42:23 Speaker 3: done squat And what I find so bizarre about everything

42:28 Speaker 3: that I'm seeing right now, So first of all, the

42:31 Speaker 3: timing of the investigation.

42:33 Speaker 2: What a joke.

42:35 Speaker 3: You only are investigating him now after this instead of

42:39 Speaker 3: after actually what happened in Columbus where he's looking at

42:43 Speaker 3: players photos and making them uncomfortable to the point that

42:46 Speaker 3: they fired him before the season even started, and then

42:49 Speaker 3: nobody followed up. Oh, that's right. He can't violate an

42:53 Speaker 3: abuse policy if there is no abuse policy at the

42:56 Speaker 3: NHL level. So that's stupid. What are they gonna investigate

42:59 Speaker 3: him for. They don't have any policies related to what

43:02 Speaker 3: he has done being an abusive prick, sitting Mike Madonna

43:07 Speaker 3: after Game fourteen ninety nine, sitting Chris Chelli.

43:11 Speaker 2: Out like why would you ever sit though this guy

43:14 Speaker 2: is a first class assholey. There's no two ways about it.

43:18 Speaker 3: You you he's a first class asshole, and it could

43:23 Speaker 3: be a superstar player who gets his wrath because he

43:26 Speaker 3: clearly gets off on being a dick to these people

43:30 Speaker 3: and having that power and control. But god forbid, you're

43:33 Speaker 3: a journeyman down the line, your life is going to

43:36 Speaker 3: be hell. And the people who work for the organization,

43:39 Speaker 3: they've reported your training staff, your facilities people, your office people,

43:44 Speaker 3: they've reported him being just a terrible person. But then

43:48 Speaker 3: what's weird is the fact that, okay, they made the announcement.

43:53 Speaker 3: They asked, is it okay? Can we hire him? The

43:56 Speaker 3: NHL first said, yeah, oh wait, let's investigate. No, he's clear,

44:00 Speaker 3: but they still haven't hired him. So what's happening in Edmunds?

44:04 Speaker 2: Right?

44:05 Speaker 3: He went through the trouble. You knew it was probably

44:08 Speaker 3: gonna be a thing. That's why you asked, is it okay?

44:12 Speaker 2: I wonder if they're now worried about the pr machine

44:15 Speaker 2: and the blowback that may surface if they actually hire him.

44:20 Speaker 3: So have they moved on?

44:21 Speaker 2: I would like to hear what Connor McDavid or Leon

44:25 Speaker 2: dreis listening. That kid has got to run as far

44:28 Speaker 2: away from that freaking organization as he can if he

44:33 Speaker 2: ever wants a chance to win a Stanley Cup, because

44:36 Speaker 2: it's not going to happen there. I just can't see

44:39 Speaker 2: it happening there.

44:41 Speaker 3: Watching Edmonton function is very similar to watching Toronto function.

44:48 Speaker 2: I mean, do they have a real goaltender yet? No?

44:51 Speaker 2: Do they have a legit goaltender yet? You should be

44:54 Speaker 2: more worried about getting yourself a legitif freaking goalie than

44:58 Speaker 2: who the coach is gonna be?

44:59 Speaker 3: Yeah, and what's the rush? Wait for Bruce Castle? Well,

45:03 Speaker 3: that's how you want the rush?

45:05 Speaker 2: Because again, why hasn't Vegas given him the go ahead yet?

45:09 Speaker 3: We know because they're jerks and their indivision and.

45:14 Speaker 2: That's why this is more not fader, but more drama.

45:17 Speaker 2: But it's just like, what are we doing here? How

45:20 Speaker 2: is it okay for you deny him the right to

45:21 Speaker 2: go and coach somewhere? Yeah? I don't know where Edmonton

45:24 Speaker 2: is picking in the draft, but the draft is this week.

45:29 Speaker 2: Wouldn't you like any potential players that you draft to

45:33 Speaker 2: know who your coach is going to be? Wouldn't it

45:35 Speaker 2: be nice for the coach to be up there on

45:37 Speaker 2: the stage with other team representatives.

45:40 Speaker 3: I think that's the rush, and they I don't know

45:43 Speaker 3: now off the top of my head what they were

45:45 Speaker 3: doing in between the end of the season. I feel

45:49 Speaker 3: like it took them a long time to fire their coach.

45:51 Speaker 3: They didn't fire him right away, So some of this

45:53 Speaker 3: is also Pisspoor planning on your part constitutes an emergency.

45:58 Speaker 3: It's not supposed to constitute an emergency, mind, but has

46:01 Speaker 3: turned into that. And now Edmonton's strembling because they mishandled it.

46:05 Speaker 3: They can't have a full on coaching search like most

46:09 Speaker 3: other places, so I think they've dug themselves into a

46:13 Speaker 3: little bit of a hole here.

46:14 Speaker 2: Anyway, the draft, what do you expect from our team?

46:19 Speaker 2: I myself get very worried about having the Ruins organization

46:24 Speaker 2: with draft picks, just because I don't have a lot

46:27 Speaker 2: of faith in their ability to identify players that fit

46:32 Speaker 2: whatever system that they want to play.

46:34 Speaker 3: Yeah, so let's see, Boston isn't picking until the twenty

46:39 Speaker 3: third spot of the first round, so they still have

46:43 Speaker 3: a first round, which is great because there were a

46:45 Speaker 3: number of years where we didn't even have a first round.

46:48 Speaker 2: Pick.

46:49 Speaker 3: I have such low expectations, especially Don Sweeney is not

46:53 Speaker 3: a draft guy.

46:54 Speaker 2: He's been better, But no, when we said this last year,

46:57 Speaker 2: you and I could have drafted James Hagen. It doesn't

47:00 Speaker 2: take rocket science.

47:02 Speaker 3: No, And it's my understanding this particular draft class, while talented,

47:08 Speaker 3: certainly not as strong as other past recent draft classes

47:15 Speaker 3: in general. Like even looking at Gavin McKenna, he is

47:18 Speaker 3: no Connor Redard Macklin Celebrini.

47:21 Speaker 2: He's great, but well, honestly, I think Maclin Celebrini is

47:26 Speaker 2: far better performance than Connor Redard at at this point.

47:30 Speaker 3: But he's more entertaining, to say the least. But we'll

47:33 Speaker 3: see what happens during free agency. At a minimum, I

47:37 Speaker 3: think John Sweeney needs to move Jonis Corporoslo. There has

47:42 Speaker 3: to be a scenario where Jonis Corpora Salo is dealt

47:46 Speaker 3: from the Boston Ruins. Yeah, and there's still going to

47:50 Speaker 3: be a flurry of trades, especially as we get closer

47:53 Speaker 3: and closer first to the lead up to the draft,

47:58 Speaker 3: and then it'll chill out for probably like forty eight

48:02 Speaker 3: hours and then the timeline flips again. As you recall,

48:08 Speaker 3: the free agency is the bookend of the high holy

48:13 Speaker 3: period of the NHL, which starts with the trade deadline,

48:17 Speaker 3: going into the insanity of playoffs.

48:21 Speaker 5: You've got the draft lottery, you've got the Cup, you've

48:26 Speaker 5: got the draft itself, and then dev camp for pretty

48:31 Speaker 5: much every club, and then free agency and all of

48:34 Speaker 5: that kind of happening at the exact same time, one

48:37 Speaker 5: of the busiest ten.

48:37 Speaker 3: Days across the calendar, and so you're going to see

48:41 Speaker 3: some trading happening between today jogging.

48:45 Speaker 2: They get a position at the draft to meet a

48:47 Speaker 2: need that they want to fill for their team, there's going.

48:51 Speaker 3: To be them the draft, and then a lot of

48:53 Speaker 3: the new drafte's are going to be sent straight to

48:58 Speaker 3: their new home cities for development Camp. Interestingly enough, James

49:03 Speaker 3: Hagen's not going to be at dev camp, primarily because

49:06 Speaker 3: this kid has been playing basically hockey NonStop since August,

49:11 Speaker 3: so he's rightly excused from dev camp, but we'll probably

49:16 Speaker 3: see him then again at rookie camp. It's going to

49:18 Speaker 3: be a crazy time. And then in that stretch you've

49:21 Speaker 3: got all these trades that are going to be happening

49:23 Speaker 3: literally right up until noon on July first, And for

49:29 Speaker 3: the Bruins, my understanding in regards to Victor Arvidson that

49:33 Speaker 3: conversations are still ongoing and that it's a question of term,

49:38 Speaker 3: So we could still very well see an extension signed beforehand.

49:43 Speaker 3: We could still see him sign a brand new contract

49:45 Speaker 3: with the Boston Brewods post July. What if Boston is

49:48 Speaker 3: where he really wants to be, he could just exist

49:52 Speaker 3: there without a contract if he doesn't want to go

49:55 Speaker 3: anywhere else, And that could still be trades happening to

49:59 Speaker 3: trades happen in a flurry before the free agency, because

50:02 Speaker 3: again he's signing trades and getting that whole situation. But

50:07 Speaker 3: trades can happen up until a roster has to be

50:10 Speaker 3: submitted in September.

50:11 Speaker 2: But I'll be curious to see what scenarios the Bruins

50:15 Speaker 2: come up with. As I said earlier on, I have

50:18 Speaker 2: seen Pavel Saka's name be grown around as potential on

50:23 Speaker 2: the move candidate, and again Victor arguson he could be

50:28 Speaker 2: helpful not only to the Bruins, but he could be

50:30 Speaker 2: helpful to another team. I would like to think that

50:33 Speaker 2: John Sweeney is open to listening to any and all

50:38 Speaker 2: being made, or he's working the phones to see what

50:41 Speaker 2: offers he can get. But I don't see a scenario

50:45 Speaker 2: where the Bruins are going to be able to address

50:48 Speaker 2: their number one needs, which is a true kind I

50:52 Speaker 2: hate this term puck moving defenseman and a number one,

50:56 Speaker 2: number two center.

50:57 Speaker 3: Boston has to do something of note in the next

51:01 Speaker 3: ten days period. We have to see something. I don't

51:05 Speaker 3: care if it's only one, and if it's only one,

51:08 Speaker 3: it better be a defenseman. To me, that is what

51:12 Speaker 3: I need to see. If Boston wants to smartly build

51:16 Speaker 3: on what they accomplished last year this past season, they

51:21 Speaker 3: need to do it intentionally and within the core ideology

51:28 Speaker 3: of this franchise, which is defense first. As we've discussed,

51:32 Speaker 3: they're great on the back end. Even if Corpusala doesn't

51:35 Speaker 3: get moved, fine, we got to get that desquared away

51:38 Speaker 3: like that to me priority, I think I'm more of.

51:42 Speaker 2: The mindset of I want them to address getting help

51:45 Speaker 2: for Pasta and try to figure out a way to

51:48 Speaker 2: balance scoring because we had it in buckets, but we

51:53 Speaker 2: didn't have it consistently. Even with the sound defensive structure.

51:57 Speaker 2: You're not going to win a whole ton of games

51:59 Speaker 2: if you can't score more goals than the other team does.

52:02 Speaker 2: But from what I have read and seen, there's nothing

52:05 Speaker 2: really available in this free agency. So now you're looking

52:09 Speaker 2: at potentially another year down the road, another year of

52:13 Speaker 2: Pasta McAvoy's four years potentially being burned. Right you're thirty.

52:19 Speaker 2: I know.

52:20 Speaker 3: I I hope they're smart and they surprise us. It

52:24 Speaker 3: doesn't need to be a crazy blockbuster. And how do

52:27 Speaker 3: you draw people here? How do you draw people here?

52:30 Speaker 3: Where before you had a winning culture. And I'm not

52:35 Speaker 3: saying we have a loser's mentality here, That's not what

52:37 Speaker 3: I'm saying at all. But we're not in the same

52:41 Speaker 3: position as other teams now in the league because that

52:44 Speaker 3: balance is starting to come to fruition, that parody where

52:49 Speaker 3: no I can go here, and when potentially next year,

52:53 Speaker 3: where you guys are still a year, two, three years

52:57 Speaker 3: out and at that point Pasta is going to be

53:00 Speaker 3: two or three years older. Back a boy is going

53:02 Speaker 3: to be too. These are unsettling timed for the Boston

53:05 Speaker 3: Ruins franchise. We're not based in the dwellers, and I

53:09 Speaker 3: don't know that we're going to hit that rock bottom

53:12 Speaker 3: and right we already did that was previous season. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

53:17 Speaker 3: But no, to your point, I think what you're saying

53:20 Speaker 3: is actually really spot on in that for the magic

53:25 Speaker 3: elixir player, that magical player who can really make those

53:30 Speaker 3: things happen, that's going to be some guy who is

53:33 Speaker 3: looking to move to a team that is within a

53:36 Speaker 3: year or two of a Cup. Right, So Boston is

53:39 Speaker 3: not the place where that superstar, easy fix player is

53:44 Speaker 3: going to pick. But Boston will always be a desirable

53:49 Speaker 3: destination for literally every other category of player, literally every

53:55 Speaker 3: category of player because of just what the franchise represents.

54:01 Speaker 3: So I'm not worried in terms of Boston being able

54:05 Speaker 3: to find that diamond and the rough player like we

54:09 Speaker 3: got with someone like Freezer Minton, although he didn't also

54:12 Speaker 3: have really a choice in coming to Boston. Boston is

54:15 Speaker 3: a desirable destination because of the history, because we have

54:19 Speaker 3: a winning culture on the whole. This is a team

54:21 Speaker 3: that wins, This is an organization, is a fan base

54:24 Speaker 3: that won't accept anything.

54:26 Speaker 2: Less, and I think players like that. They like to

54:29 Speaker 2: be abled to accountable. The Rwons fans are very willing

54:32 Speaker 2: to do that. Yes, yes, sometimes yeah, sometimes we're nasty.

54:37 Speaker 2: But one more thing that I wanted to touch on,

54:40 Speaker 2: which I found it really interesting going through NHL dot Com.

54:44 Speaker 2: And besides the Boston Bruins, did you know that there

54:48 Speaker 2: were other teams in the league that did not have captains?

54:52 Speaker 2: The Bruins weren't the only ones.

54:54 Speaker 3: Well, I knew that Chicago traded their captain and Vancouver

54:59 Speaker 3: traded their captain this past season. And I'm trying to

55:02 Speaker 3: think of who else might be sans captain. The King

55:06 Speaker 3: Kings would be sans captain San Jose and the Saint

55:10 Speaker 3: Louis Blues are sans captains. Interesting little tidbit. Yes, and

55:17 Speaker 3: the Bruins have announced their development camp scheduling or twenty

55:23 Speaker 3: twenty six. Development camp begins on Monday, June twenty ninth,

55:28 Speaker 3: and we myself, Caroline and friend of God Mary Beth,

55:34 Speaker 3: we will be in the house at some point during

55:36 Speaker 3: these sessions, watching the growth and the development and see

55:40 Speaker 3: if we see any diamonds in the rough. Yes, I'm

55:44 Speaker 3: very excited to see what these guys can do.

55:46 Speaker 2: You know, sometimes, as someone who comes out of nowhere

55:49 Speaker 2: that surprises the hell out of you and you say

55:52 Speaker 2: to yourself, let's hope this guy gets an invitation to

55:55 Speaker 2: training camp, see what can happen.

55:58 Speaker 3: Yes, and we definitely saw that last year, so some

56:01 Speaker 3: good surprises there until on next episode.

56:04 Speaker 2: Final thoughts for me, anyways, is congratulations to all of

56:09 Speaker 2: the Hall of famers going in to the Hockey Hall

56:12 Speaker 2: of Fame. For me, I think, listen, nobody deserves it

56:16 Speaker 2: more than patrese bergeron. I would love to see him

56:20 Speaker 2: back with the Bruins organization in some capacity when he's

56:24 Speaker 2: ready to do so and he's got more time on

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56:50 Speaker 2: Any closing thoughts go these go.

56:53 Speaker 4: Bruins still still be