Unlocking Boston Bruins Center Depth: Fraser Minten’s Impact | Ep. 145

0:00 Speaker 1: On Thursday, May twenty eighth, the hockey community lost another

0:04 Speaker 1: one of the all time greats, Claude Lemieux, known for

0:07 Speaker 1: his fierce style of play. The twenty one season six

0:11 Speaker 1: team Veteran won four Stanley Cups and a con Smythe

0:14 Speaker 1: as the playoff MVP.

0:16 Speaker 2: In nineteen ninety five, he.

0:18 Speaker 1: Was one of only eleven players to win a Cup

0:21 Speaker 1: with at least three different teams, scoring eighty post season goals,

0:25 Speaker 1: putting him at ninth all time. He was a pivotal

0:29 Speaker 1: member of the Colorado Avalanche team that birthed the great

0:32 Speaker 1: rivalry with the Detroit Red Wings on March twenty sixth,

0:36 Speaker 1: nineteen ninety seven, most famously known as Fight Night at

0:39 Speaker 1: the Joe. What makes his passing that much more shocking

0:43 Speaker 1: is the fact that he was torchbearer for the Habs

0:46 Speaker 1: home playoff game just days before. We honor his memory

0:51 Speaker 1: and legacy as a player, and in particular as a

0:53 Speaker 1: member of the Montreal Canadians who were responsible for causing

0:57 Speaker 1: a great deal of angst and heartbreak for the Austin

1:00 Speaker 1: Bruins during an era where it seemed impossible to beat them.

1:05 Speaker 1: This is meant as nothing but praise and respect for

1:08 Speaker 1: a player who always left everything he had on the ice.

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2:10 Speaker 1: What's that for? Most? Welcome in everyone to another episode

2:21 Speaker 1: of Bruin's Tape to Tape. I am your host today,

2:24 Speaker 1: Caroline with a K, and we are continuing our player

2:28 Speaker 1: review series as the summer rolls on, and we are

2:32 Speaker 1: continuing today with Fraser Mitten. But first, before we start

2:36 Speaker 1: talking about this little gem, I'm going to welcome in

2:39 Speaker 1: my fantastic co host, Maria from Watertown.

2:42 Speaker 2: Hey Maria, Hey Caroline, how are you. I'm well.

2:45 Speaker 1: I had a lot of fun looking into these players

2:48 Speaker 1: that we were talking about all season, because sometimes you

2:52 Speaker 1: forget about the individual contributions and achievements. And I have

2:56 Speaker 1: to say, the kids on this team, I'm actually pretty

3:00 Speaker 1: for as much as we talk about the direction that

3:03 Speaker 1: this team is going in, I was very pleasantly surprised

3:07 Speaker 1: at the things that Fraser Minton, but also his regular

3:11 Speaker 1: linematee Mara Husnadinov chief together, and then the handful of

3:15 Speaker 1: other guys who often slotted in with them. But let's

3:19 Speaker 1: talk about the baby of the team, at least from

3:23 Speaker 1: this past season. He's gonna get displaced as the baby

3:27 Speaker 1: of the team in the fall when James Hagen's most

3:30 Speaker 1: likely makes the full time team. But twenty one year

3:33 Speaker 1: old Fraser Minton, Yeah, he'll be twenty two July fifth.

3:38 Speaker 2: My kids are older than he is. For Ripe's sake, well.

3:43 Speaker 1: Why don't you give us the rundown on who he is,

3:46 Speaker 1: where he came from, because last year we didn't actually

3:50 Speaker 1: do a conversation about him. I forgot, honestly that he

3:54 Speaker 1: even had as many games as he did with the

3:57 Speaker 1: big team last season, because, let's face it, after that

4:01 Speaker 1: trade deadline, I was barely.

4:04 Speaker 2: Present when I watched those games. But give us the

4:07 Speaker 2: rundown on Minty. Well, this is such an easy rundown,

4:11 Speaker 2: and it's such an enjoyable rundown because say what we

4:14 Speaker 2: will about Don Sweeney, but one of the things that

4:18 Speaker 2: he does well, one of the few things I think

4:20 Speaker 2: he does well, is make hockey trades to the advantage

4:25 Speaker 2: of the Boston Bruins for the most part. And this

4:27 Speaker 2: is one of those deals where if I were the

4:30 Speaker 2: Toronto Maple Leafs probably would have fired their GM even

4:34 Speaker 2: sooner than they did because the Bruins were able to

4:39 Speaker 2: acquire Fraser Mitton in a trade when the Bruins basically

4:43 Speaker 2: cleaned out their core by dealing Brandon Carlow to the

4:48 Speaker 2: Maple Leafs for Fraser Mitton and a twenty twenty six

4:52 Speaker 2: first round pick and a twenty twenty five to fourth

4:55 Speaker 2: round pick a young talented player like Fraser Mitton for

4:59 Speaker 2: Brandon Carlow. I'll do that trade every day all day.

5:04 Speaker 2: I still don't understand why the Maples, I guess don't ask, right,

5:10 Speaker 2: But Jesus Christ, I don't know if they were so

5:14 Speaker 2: hell bent on kind of solidifying their back end because

5:18 Speaker 2: they knew they had not good solid goaltending going into

5:22 Speaker 2: another slayoff run but see that as it may. I

5:26 Speaker 2: know that the fans and the media in Toronto as

5:29 Speaker 2: this current season progressed in the manner that it did

5:33 Speaker 2: for both teams where Toronto was a lost season. They

5:37 Speaker 2: didn't even make the playoffs. The Bruins are in a

5:40 Speaker 2: proverbial hunt for the playoffs, and you see this young

5:44 Speaker 2: player developing and flourishing and you're languishing. Yeah, I'd be

5:49 Speaker 2: a little pissed off myself if I was in Toronto. Yeah,

5:53 Speaker 2: it was very much so.

5:55 Speaker 1: Giving the Andrew Raycroft for Tookarask trade from back in

6:01 Speaker 1: the day, right, and all respect to Andrew Raycroft, but

6:05 Speaker 1: at that point in his career, and then to bring

6:08 Speaker 1: in someone like to Grass.

6:11 Speaker 2: You had that deal that backfired and blew up in

6:13 Speaker 2: your face, and then you make another one with the

6:15 Speaker 2: same organization. Like, how dumb a franchise are the Maple Leafs.

6:20 Speaker 2: They're the dumbest. I can't believe they did that. He's

6:23 Speaker 2: ours now. He I think he's here to stay, or

6:26 Speaker 2: I would like to think that he's here to stay.

6:29 Speaker 2: We all heard Don Sweeney and Cam Neely in their

6:32 Speaker 2: postgame pressors. I think that they have high, high hopes

6:36 Speaker 2: for Fraser Minton to develop into a viable center in

6:41 Speaker 2: the league, and especially for Ruins, to fill a serious

6:47 Speaker 2: need that they have. And I'm not saying he's going

6:50 Speaker 2: to be a number one center, Folks, don't put words

6:52 Speaker 2: in my mouth, no, but there is a lot to

6:55 Speaker 2: be excited about when it comes to Fraser Minton.

6:59 Speaker 1: Oh, one hundred percent. He's highly intelligent, two way middle

7:05 Speaker 1: sixth center. He's got great matchup utility, a lot of

7:09 Speaker 1: coaching trusts.

7:10 Speaker 2: Part of why they brought Marco here correcting me I

7:12 Speaker 2: from wrong? Isn't that to help kind of h and

7:16 Speaker 2: I don't want to say develop, but he knows where

7:19 Speaker 2: to put these young players in the best possible place

7:23 Speaker 2: to succeed when they're up with the big club.

7:26 Speaker 1: Yeah, he's very reliable, very mature decision making, I mean,

7:30 Speaker 1: because we've seen some really bad decision making from some

7:33 Speaker 1: of our young players. And what I really love right

7:36 Speaker 1: now is the fact that he's really lucky in terms

7:39 Speaker 1: of the peers that he has in his age group

7:42 Speaker 1: across the league, because he's playing in Worlds for Canada

7:47 Speaker 1: with arguably some of the best young Canadian talent that

7:52 Speaker 1: exists in the NHL. When you think about Porter Martone

7:55 Speaker 1: and Maclin Celebrini and then playing with someone like Sydney Crosby.

8:00 Speaker 1: I hope that what Minton gets out of that experience

8:05 Speaker 1: is what someone like Celebrini got last year.

8:09 Speaker 2: His abilities just skyrocketed.

8:11 Speaker 1: And if Minton is already at a high level, who

8:15 Speaker 1: knows what we're gonna see come from him?

8:17 Speaker 2: And his cap hit is chump change, absolute chump change.

8:22 Speaker 2: Tell us about his contract. His current year cap hit

8:26 Speaker 2: is only seven seven sixty two three forty four. That's

8:30 Speaker 2: chump change.

8:31 Speaker 1: Yeah, he's making no money and he is going into

8:36 Speaker 1: the last year of his contract that was signed way

8:40 Speaker 1: back in the day by Kyle dubis So at this point,

8:43 Speaker 1: three leaf GM is a co track.

8:46 Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't even know. It's like a revolving door.

8:49 Speaker 1: I know.

8:50 Speaker 2: I think we're gonna have issues with our two guys

8:53 Speaker 2: over on Causeway Street. They look like Rhodes scholars compared

8:58 Speaker 2: to Toronto Times.

9:01 Speaker 1: I could do an emergency Ted talk on why everything

9:05 Speaker 1: is wrong in Toronto, But we're a Bruins podcast, not

9:09 Speaker 1: exclusively a Leaf's hate podcast.

9:12 Speaker 2: But you're absolutely right.

9:14 Speaker 1: His aav over the length of the entire contract was

9:17 Speaker 1: eight thirty seven to five, as in eight hundred and

9:19 Speaker 1: thirty seven, five hundred dollars.

9:22 Speaker 2: They're basically stealing from this young man. But now, the

9:24 Speaker 2: Bruins did retain a little bit of Carlo's salary in

9:28 Speaker 2: the deal, like six hundred and fifteen thousand dollars, but

9:31 Speaker 2: again in the minimum of NHL roster that is chunk change. Yeah,

9:36 Speaker 2: very minimal. And things have not worked out well for

9:39 Speaker 2: Brandon Carlo in Toronto either.

9:42 Speaker 1: So no, but like I said, come July first, he's

9:46 Speaker 1: going to be eligible for an extension. He's still, like

9:50 Speaker 1: I said, a baby, so he's going to be restricted

9:54 Speaker 1: for a while. But I think it's going to be

9:57 Speaker 1: safe to say that he will be getting some kind

10:01 Speaker 1: of promotion, to say the least, because his ability to perform,

10:05 Speaker 1: especially with line mate Marot Husnadinov. I mean, that was

10:08 Speaker 1: a pretty fantastic pairing. You know, last year we did

10:12 Speaker 1: a player profile on Marat Husnadinov.

10:15 Speaker 2: He came to Boston also via a trade.

10:18 Speaker 1: He played a little bit, not a ton, but this

10:21 Speaker 1: year seeing him and Minton kind of mesh, that goes

10:25 Speaker 1: even further because it's helping with both of their development

10:29 Speaker 1: because they've got that connection, they.

10:32 Speaker 2: Have that trust, they can play together really well.

10:35 Speaker 1: And going to one of our new favorite stats to

10:38 Speaker 1: look at how much does this player actually contribute to

10:42 Speaker 1: the team. Fraser Minton's goals above replacement, seven wins above

10:47 Speaker 1: replacement one point one, standings points two point two, so

10:51 Speaker 1: effectively really still making a difference in this team's ability

10:56 Speaker 1: to score the goals and win the games, especially in

11:00 Speaker 1: a division as tight and highly competitive and skilled as

11:04 Speaker 1: the Atlantic Division. And coupled with Marat Husnadinov, who has

11:09 Speaker 1: nine points, six goals above replacement and three points for

11:12 Speaker 1: the standings, put them together and they are going to

11:17 Speaker 1: be a very exciting future middle line. And when we

11:20 Speaker 1: see the day that the majority of the current second

11:23 Speaker 1: line retires departs, if that pairing at least ends up

11:27 Speaker 1: on that second line, I think, as a Boston Bruins fan,

11:30 Speaker 1: I'm not mad.

11:31 Speaker 2: I'm not mad either. I enjoyed watching them. It's refreshing

11:36 Speaker 2: to have some young talent in the pipeline that you're

11:39 Speaker 2: excited about watching and seeing what they can do. Again,

11:43 Speaker 2: I will point out that this young talent made its

11:46 Speaker 2: way to the Bruins as a result of hockey trades

11:50 Speaker 2: and not the Bruins' staff identifying, yes, young talent, baya

11:57 Speaker 2: a draft However, we'll take it where we can get it. Yeah.

12:00 Speaker 1: What I love about him also is the fact that

12:04 Speaker 1: not just did the coaching staff have that trust in him,

12:09 Speaker 1: but he also had the trust of his teammates. He

12:14 Speaker 1: wasn't a purely sheltered player. Offensively, he handled legitimate NHL

12:21 Speaker 1: minutes as a very young center, and that matters a

12:25 Speaker 1: lot because then again, as the coaches give him more

12:29 Speaker 1: trust and responsibility, it will continue his development to become

12:34 Speaker 1: a very, very threatening two way center, which is something

12:38 Speaker 1: that we talk all the time, have for years about

12:40 Speaker 1: how Boston does not have a number one center. I'm

12:44 Speaker 1: not saying that he is that number one center, but

12:46 Speaker 1: you need to have good two way centers, two way

12:51 Speaker 1: two hundred foot centers, right.

12:53 Speaker 2: And even Neely alluded to that in remarks that he

12:57 Speaker 2: made at the end of the season, and they have

12:59 Speaker 2: post game pressers and I think he also stayed I'm

13:02 Speaker 2: not saying he's a number one set, but they clearly

13:04 Speaker 2: have a need there. And again we have talked about

13:08 Speaker 2: this ad naugem needs that they knew they would have

13:11 Speaker 2: because it was inevitable that David Craigie and Patrice Bergeron

13:15 Speaker 2: would move on, and they're trying to find ways now.

13:19 Speaker 2: To some degree, they were scrambling a little bit to

13:21 Speaker 2: bridge that gap because they never addressed them through good drafting. Yeah, right,

13:28 Speaker 2: and that alluded to this before. To me, that was

13:31 Speaker 2: some organizational malfeasance as far as I'm concerned. But at

13:35 Speaker 2: least they're trying to find ways now to remedy that gap.

13:40 Speaker 1: Yeah, And I wonder if if he is that next

13:44 Speaker 1: future iteration of David Cragie or filling a similar role

13:49 Speaker 1: while still being a very different archetype.

13:52 Speaker 2: You know that they are similar.

13:55 Speaker 1: Atas in which they are similar are their hockey IQ,

13:59 Speaker 1: the hate control, and the subtlety of their play. Now

14:03 Speaker 1: beyond that, very different player obviously prechie elite playmaking, possession center.

14:09 Speaker 2: But sometimes he would disappear, Let's be honest. Sometimes in

14:12 Speaker 2: the regular season create would disappear. He might not have

14:16 Speaker 2: been as defensively responsible as we've wanted him right to

14:20 Speaker 2: be at times, right, but he'd show up for the playoffs.

14:24 Speaker 1: Sure, Minton's value comes from he's supporting his teammates as

14:29 Speaker 1: a center, being a playmaker and supporting them structurally in

14:33 Speaker 1: that regard, because again he's not just centering the wings.

14:37 Speaker 1: People who don't know a ton of hockey or are

14:40 Speaker 1: new to hockey may not realize that the center is

14:43 Speaker 1: also centering the two defencemen as well. Of the best centers.

14:47 Speaker 1: That's what we mean by the two way, two hundred

14:49 Speaker 1: foot player is he's supporting both of those positions on

14:53 Speaker 1: the ice in the forward and defensive capacity, and so

14:56 Speaker 1: he has really he's really reliable in that regard, and

15:01 Speaker 1: that I think is where a lot of his value

15:02 Speaker 1: comes from. And his puck retrieval, backchecking, those are things

15:08 Speaker 1: that are going to take him very far and I

15:12 Speaker 1: think ultimately end up putting him in a position like

15:15 Speaker 1: Crachie in that.

15:18 Speaker 2: This is your number two center. Very reliable.

15:20 Speaker 1: He plays very mature hockey and very detail oriented, and

15:25 Speaker 1: at the end of the day, his scoring is also

15:29 Speaker 1: fairly reliable. He had fifteen expected goals, he scored seventeen.

15:33 Speaker 1: He had eighteen assists, so he had a lot of

15:36 Speaker 1: line involvement, had a lot of balanced offensive contribution.

15:39 Speaker 2: You know, he wasn't just lucky he was scoring.

15:42 Speaker 1: It's going to be a long time before you've got

15:45 Speaker 1: center replacements for Patrice Bergeron and David Crachie, but I

15:48 Speaker 1: think he could be the next to fill that kind

15:51 Speaker 1: of role.

15:52 Speaker 2: You made a good point during our off air conversation

15:55 Speaker 2: that I want to Marco Stern himself exhibited instance is

16:00 Speaker 2: of having trust in the kid Lie and I think

16:04 Speaker 2: you specifically brought up an instance where I think he

16:07 Speaker 2: might have started them in an overtime. He did. And

16:10 Speaker 2: I also think that Fraser Minton was out during a shootout,

16:16 Speaker 2: yes at one point as well. He's a very valuable

16:20 Speaker 2: player to the future of this franchise and he's he

16:23 Speaker 2: should only get better, right as he has this experience

16:27 Speaker 2: at the Worlds, which I think will be immeasurable for him,

16:30 Speaker 2: because I will say that I think that younger group

16:33 Speaker 2: of players, mister Dinov, Mitton, b Simott, they had brought

16:38 Speaker 2: in Richel on occasion. They I think the stage of

16:41 Speaker 2: the playoffs might have been a little bit overwhelming for

16:44 Speaker 2: them in that first round against Buffalo.

16:47 Speaker 1: For sure, Remember he's all of twenty one. I believe

16:52 Speaker 1: marat Us Nadinov is twenty three. It's a completely different

16:57 Speaker 1: game and it can be very terrified for them to

17:01 Speaker 1: be out there you know Richel, he's twenty three. Isamont

17:04 Speaker 1: was the elder statesman, but his years of experience didn't

17:09 Speaker 1: translate into postseason play because hasn't played as long with

17:16 Speaker 1: Husnadinov and Mitten as the two of them played together.

17:20 Speaker 1: When we're talking about bigger picture, is Boston going to

17:24 Speaker 1: invest in a longer term veteran presence to help with

17:28 Speaker 1: those situations because there was no captain this season, and

17:33 Speaker 1: you need to spread the wealth in terms of helping

17:35 Speaker 1: guys get through those experiences, especially ones who have never

17:39 Speaker 1: done it before, and many guys the team who'd never

17:41 Speaker 1: done it before. Castle Lick and you wouldn't necessarily consider

17:45 Speaker 1: him a baby on the team.

17:47 Speaker 2: Even though he is also quite young. So in our

17:52 Speaker 2: previous episode, when we talked about Victor Ardwardson and giving

17:56 Speaker 2: a grade to the trade, you did it bit broader

18:00 Speaker 2: than I did. You combined the deal and the player

18:04 Speaker 2: all in one where I just said, Okay, I'm going

18:07 Speaker 2: to give the player this grade and I'm going to

18:09 Speaker 2: give the trade this grade. But in this instance, I

18:13 Speaker 2: think it's an a plus all the way around because

18:16 Speaker 2: there's so much more potential just because of how young

18:21 Speaker 2: his player is and it's been a while since we've

18:24 Speaker 2: had a young player coming into the Bruins organization that

18:28 Speaker 2: we're like, I'm excited to see how this player develops.

18:32 Speaker 2: And in conjunction with James Haiggins.

18:36 Speaker 1: Yeah, don't forget that, even though Fraser Minton came in

18:41 Speaker 1: via the trade and he had some playing time in

18:44 Speaker 1: those final six weeks of the season, he was not

18:48 Speaker 1: guaranteed any kind of a spot on the big boy roster.

18:52 Speaker 1: Because he still went well, he earned it, Yeah, and

18:55 Speaker 1: he earned his spot there. So that makes me him

19:00 Speaker 1: even more because look, let's be honest, I'm not saying

19:04 Speaker 1: that James Hagens isn't going to earn his spot, that

19:08 Speaker 1: he's not going to be a hard worker. But there's

19:11 Speaker 1: no way that he's not going to be reporting to

19:14 Speaker 1: Boston the last week of September. You can't tell me

19:18 Speaker 1: that that's not going to happen. So his is a

19:21 Speaker 1: little bit more of a given, whereas players like Husindinov

19:24 Speaker 1: and Minton, you know, there was no guarantee and they

19:28 Speaker 1: really made sure to stand out.

19:30 Speaker 2: They made it hard for the coaching staff to take

19:32 Speaker 2: them out of the lineup, which is what a young

19:36 Speaker 2: player should strive to do. Don't make it easy for

19:40 Speaker 2: them to take a look at you and say it's

19:43 Speaker 2: not cutting it. I gotta send them back down. Gott

19:45 Speaker 2: to send him down Providence. Yeah, and he actually played

19:49 Speaker 2: all I just was going to bring that up. He

19:52 Speaker 2: played in every single game this season. He didn't even

19:55 Speaker 2: give Marco and the coaching staff any reason to have

19:58 Speaker 2: to consider making him a healthy scratch, unlike other players

20:02 Speaker 2: on the roster. Yes, Yes, so love that.

20:05 Speaker 1: I can't wait to see what kind of role and

20:08 Speaker 1: position he takes on as he gets older over the

20:12 Speaker 1: next five years.

20:13 Speaker 2: It's gonna be really exciting to see. And I don't

20:15 Speaker 2: think we've.

20:16 Speaker 1: Had a group of young players on this Boston Bruins

20:20 Speaker 1: team that is this exciting in.

20:23 Speaker 2: Quite a while. And I hate to even put this

20:25 Speaker 2: out in the stratosphere, but not only do you have

20:30 Speaker 2: a player that has a lot of upside, you also

20:33 Speaker 2: have a valuable asset now, because if he continues to

20:38 Speaker 2: progress in a manner and a trend that we expect

20:41 Speaker 2: him to keep going upwards, you could potentially get a

20:45 Speaker 2: haul for him at some point in time. If that's

20:48 Speaker 2: a road that you want to go down, for sure,

20:51 Speaker 2: it's always a reality. It's still a business, right, Everyone

20:55 Speaker 2: is always on the table. Everyone has a price, well

20:58 Speaker 2: everyone on this roster, yes, for the most part, other

21:01 Speaker 2: than a small group of people, but right.

21:04 Speaker 1: I mean, you'd be an idiot to put David Pasternack

21:07 Speaker 1: on the table, but he has a price.

21:09 Speaker 2: Yeah.

21:11 Speaker 1: Any final thoughts on Fraser Minton. I enjoyed watching the kid.

21:16 Speaker 2: I don't know the last time I said, boy, we

21:19 Speaker 2: have a young player that there's a lot of potential.

21:23 Speaker 2: Were there a hiccup with you along the way?

21:25 Speaker 1: Yeah?

21:25 Speaker 2: But you expect out with the twenty one year old

21:29 Speaker 2: this as a player, I think I think the plan

21:32 Speaker 2: is to keep him in a Brulin's uniform or a

21:35 Speaker 2: good decent amount of time. Yeah.

21:38 Speaker 1: I think he's certainly one of a couple of players

21:42 Speaker 1: that I can imagine the next core.

21:46 Speaker 2: Right now, we've got that.

21:47 Speaker 1: Quote unquote new core of Pasta and Chucky and Swayman.

21:52 Speaker 1: They were the ones who are kind of transitioning in

21:55 Speaker 1: and eventually they're going to be the ones transitioning out.

21:57 Speaker 1: And I think I wouldn't be surprised if Minton is

22:00 Speaker 1: part of that future core that whoever's in the front

22:03 Speaker 1: office is going to be building around.

22:05 Speaker 2: Right whoever's in the front office, Yeah tbd. Make sure

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