Bruins: A Failure of Power Play Principles | Ep. 90

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0:51 Speaker 4: Welcome in everyone to another episode of Bruin's Tape to Tape.

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1:05 Speaker 4: Host tonight, Maria from Watertown. As usual, I'm joined by

1:10 Speaker 4: my lovely co host Caroline and our regular recurring guest,

1:16 Speaker 4: Professor Moe, and we are going to continue the conversations

1:22 Speaker 4: that we have started and previously shared, breaking down our

1:28 Speaker 4: analysis of the Buston Bruins team in segments that have

1:36 Speaker 4: focused on forwards, defenceman, and tonight, we are going to

1:43 Speaker 4: focus on one of the specialty teams units, which is

1:49 Speaker 4: the power Play. But before we get down to business, Hello, welcome,

1:55 Speaker 4: how's everyone doing tonight?

1:58 Speaker 1: Ah good, I've got my drink my Bruin's tape to

2:01 Speaker 1: tape sticker merch you would like a sticker Lincoln in

2:05 Speaker 1: in the notes. Uh, but yeah, it's it's May, it's spring.

2:11 Speaker 5: What can I say? It's lovely out. I have no

2:14 Speaker 5: pressure watching playoff hockey.

2:17 Speaker 3: Well, there is pressure if you're rooting against a team.

2:21 Speaker 6: Yes, I mean yeah, it's that that always happens regardless, right,

2:28 Speaker 6: you you you find a way to, you know, get engaged.

2:32 Speaker 5: Right.

2:32 Speaker 4: We all have brackets going on, most of which may

2:35 Speaker 4: have been busted with the fact that the Colorado Avalanche

2:40 Speaker 4: have been and knocked out of the Stanley Cup playoffs.

2:43 Speaker 4: But uh, yeah, it's pretty easy to root. It's easier

2:46 Speaker 4: to root against certain teams. And I think we can

2:49 Speaker 4: all agree on that there's one team in particular when

2:54 Speaker 4: you have to look at a particular series and take

2:57 Speaker 4: the lesser of two evils and root against the Toronto

3:00 Speaker 4: made beliefs. Maybe right, maybe maybe, Although I will say

3:06 Speaker 4: that Floria Panthers did play like dirty rats late in

3:11 Speaker 4: that game, so not very Again, how have you referred

3:16 Speaker 4: to it previously?

3:18 Speaker 5: Caroline?

3:20 Speaker 4: Less than honorable? They play less than honorable late late.

3:26 Speaker 5: In the game. But I know I can't bring myself

3:29 Speaker 5: to root for the Leafs.

3:31 Speaker 1: Never No, Never Leaves. This is the Never Leaves Podcast.

3:41 Speaker 1: We're never gonna like the Leafs, even if they're the

3:44 Speaker 1: last hockey.

3:45 Speaker 5: Team in town. You're never gonna like the Leafs.

3:48 Speaker 4: But be that as it may, we're gonna we're gonna

3:52 Speaker 4: talk tonight about power play and you know, the power

3:57 Speaker 4: play for many, many years, And I'll go back this

4:01 Speaker 4: twenty eleven because I still can't believe the Bruins won

4:05 Speaker 4: a Stanley Cup with the power play performing at such

4:13 Speaker 4: an anemic level like it was. It was atrocious. It

4:18 Speaker 4: was atrocious. Mo and you and I've talked a couple

4:22 Speaker 4: of times about the you know, the phrase puck moving defenceman,

4:26 Speaker 4: and I couldn't wait to never hear that terminology ever again.

4:30 Speaker 4: After two thousand and eleven, when they you know, brought

4:34 Speaker 4: in Dimitri Orlob who not I mean not all I.

4:40 Speaker 5: Call I referred to him as Crapperlay. That's his dad.

4:44 Speaker 5: He was Thomas crapper Lay.

4:46 Speaker 4: I never wanted to hear the phrase puck moving defenseman

4:51 Speaker 4: ever again. So you know, fill us in on you know,

4:56 Speaker 4: the philosophy of you know, the power play where where

5:01 Speaker 4: did you know this come from? In terms of your

5:04 Speaker 4: thought process on the breaking down and hopefully trying to

5:09 Speaker 4: help the Bruins fix fix what ails them in this regard.

5:14 Speaker 1: It's been bad since like twenty nineteen, So how do

5:17 Speaker 1: we come back?

5:17 Speaker 5: It's been bad since twenty eleven?

5:20 Speaker 1: All right, Yeah, no, basically in recent history it has

5:25 Speaker 1: always been relatively garbage.

5:28 Speaker 5: So how and why is that happening?

5:35 Speaker 3: Well, there's man, it's probably just a myriad of reasons, right,

5:41 Speaker 3: the first one being if you're in the discord, if

5:44 Speaker 3: you read our chats, I mean, I don't know if

5:47 Speaker 3: we know for sure, but whoever runs the Bruins powerplay,

5:50 Speaker 3: if it's Kelly or somebody else, they definitely don't have

5:55 Speaker 3: a have a set system, right, So, I mean the

5:58 Speaker 3: Bruins power play is just it's it's directionless. But also

6:03 Speaker 3: they don't really have a style. And I I don't

6:07 Speaker 3: know if it's been like that, you know, for a

6:10 Speaker 3: long time, but you know, you you always try to say,

6:14 Speaker 3: I mean you you try to do the power play

6:17 Speaker 3: based off of players that you have. So yeah, Don

6:20 Speaker 3: Sweeney and and Cam are to blame, but still you

6:23 Speaker 3: you need to have those guys put in the best position.

6:26 Speaker 3: So you know, thinking about these topics, thinking about these discussions,

6:31 Speaker 3: there's it's just fun to talk about and and different

6:34 Speaker 3: aspects of the game that not a lot of people

6:37 Speaker 3: are familiar with with the like the specific strategies. You know,

6:40 Speaker 3: they just kind of see five five, five against four

6:43 Speaker 3: and they just think, oh, they're going to score every

6:45 Speaker 3: time because they got an extra guy. But there's there's

6:47 Speaker 3: so many different little things that happen both on the

6:51 Speaker 3: power play and the penalty field side. So just what

6:53 Speaker 3: I'm talking about.

6:54 Speaker 5: It see in Layman's terms, how you know someone who's

6:57 Speaker 5: a novice to watching the sport of hockey would come

7:01 Speaker 5: to that conclusion where you've got five professional guys on

7:05 Speaker 5: the ice with only four on the other side, and

7:09 Speaker 5: how it can look so disjointed and like you said,

7:16 Speaker 5: you know, doesn't seem to have a plan. And you know,

7:19 Speaker 5: they've made attempts at different variations where you know, we've

7:24 Speaker 5: seen instances where they've had five forwards out there at

7:28 Speaker 5: the risk of you know, having David Pasternak at the point,

7:31 Speaker 5: and the risk reward quite often was treacherous, right because

7:41 Speaker 5: shorthanded goals galore we've had, you know, scenarios of shorthanded

7:46 Speaker 5: goals galore's. But I think you know, from a Bruin's perspective,

7:52 Speaker 5: we've always had talented players manning the power play units,

8:00 Speaker 5: in particular, unit number one, your prime unit. And I

8:06 Speaker 5: guess you know. My question to you.

8:08 Speaker 4: Is is is it a combination for the lack of

8:13 Speaker 4: success based on coaching, for the stubbornness of players who

8:20 Speaker 4: are set in there in their ways in terms of

8:24 Speaker 4: you know, how they want to set up a play

8:27 Speaker 4: or not set up a play.

8:31 Speaker 3: Yeah, and before.

8:32 Speaker 1: Mo before you go in that direction, because that's a

8:35 Speaker 1: really good question, because we want to make sure that

8:39 Speaker 1: new fans of hockey even know what is going on.

8:43 Speaker 1: Can you kind of like couch it in the context

8:46 Speaker 1: of what's even actually supposed to be happening, right, Like,

8:50 Speaker 1: what what is even supposed to happen because obviously we

8:53 Speaker 1: know what we see out there is not what should

8:58 Speaker 1: be happening, right, Like, you're not supposed to be allowing

9:02 Speaker 1: shorthanded goals like we've meen especially this, so you know,

9:06 Speaker 1: you talked about fans that's a bad thing that.

9:11 Speaker 5: Your team is giving up a shorty. That's a bad thing.

9:14 Speaker 1: Right, So, you know you talked about there being no style.

9:18 Speaker 1: What is a power play style? What is supposed to

9:22 Speaker 1: be happening? What are the what are the jobs of

9:25 Speaker 1: the players that are out there? And then how or

9:29 Speaker 1: why are the Bruins so bad at doing those particular jobs?

9:35 Speaker 3: All right, well, let me see if I can remember

9:37 Speaker 3: all those points from the beginning.

9:40 Speaker 5: What was the power.

9:43 Speaker 4: Well, first answer for dummies, power play for for dummies,

9:48 Speaker 4: I'm I'm and I'm referring to myself.

9:51 Speaker 3: All right, So to answer your first question, Maria, when

9:55 Speaker 3: it comes to basically like what's been happening and why

9:59 Speaker 3: the Brows power play has probably slowly gotten worse over

10:02 Speaker 3: the last year year and a half. I look back

10:06 Speaker 3: to like you guys said, I mean, you had Bergeron,

10:07 Speaker 3: you had Marshand, You had two guys who that was

10:11 Speaker 3: kind of their bread and butter was the special team's play.

10:14 Speaker 3: Marshan would always hit Bergeron in the bumper and Berzron

10:18 Speaker 3: just knew how to take that, take that pass and

10:20 Speaker 3: just rip it on net and score. I mean, that's

10:23 Speaker 3: that's kind of how they won the game seven against Vancouver,

10:26 Speaker 3: was you know, that was one of the plays they

10:28 Speaker 3: did the bumper play, So I think the Bruins have

10:32 Speaker 3: kind of fallen in love with that, and then once

10:34 Speaker 3: those guys left, especially Bergeron, they just continued to try

10:39 Speaker 3: to hammer that home. Where I think we saw like

10:42 Speaker 3: Coil trying to do that, maybe Zaka in the bumper

10:45 Speaker 3: and it's just guys that can't fill that role because

10:49 Speaker 3: a Coyle never shoots, so he's just gonna get the

10:51 Speaker 3: pucket from the slot and try to pass it and

10:54 Speaker 3: Naka no, and Zaka can't shoot, you know, so.

10:59 Speaker 5: When he goes high and wide right.

11:02 Speaker 3: Right right, And so you couple that again with the

11:05 Speaker 3: beginning of the year where your only real target was

11:08 Speaker 3: Posternok and he looked hurt, and I mean, I think

11:12 Speaker 3: all the sports are he was probably hurt pretty significantly

11:16 Speaker 3: in the beginning where he would just kind of stand

11:20 Speaker 3: and you know, off to the side on the dot

11:23 Speaker 3: prepare for the one timer. And everybody knew that, so

11:25 Speaker 3: they just defended. Then they had nobody else that really

11:29 Speaker 3: had anything going, so their power play just they just

11:33 Speaker 3: didn't didn't go anywhere. So there's there's different strategies, there's

11:39 Speaker 3: there's different roles on the power play. When you think

11:42 Speaker 3: about it, The biggest term that everybody loves to talk

11:46 Speaker 3: about but never explain is the power play quarterback.

11:49 Speaker 5: Quarterback.

11:49 Speaker 1: Yeah, so everybody's like, you know, what the heck is

11:53 Speaker 1: the quarterback doing in a hockey game?

11:56 Speaker 3: Throwing the puck from behind the net down to the

11:59 Speaker 3: uppisde blue line. So basically, if you think about it

12:03 Speaker 3: in terms of a quarterback, it's it's going to be

12:08 Speaker 3: typically your your top defenceman whose job is to be

12:14 Speaker 3: I mean, for lack of a better term, is to

12:16 Speaker 3: be that quarterback and and someone that dictates the play.

12:20 Speaker 3: Since they're up at the blue line, they can see

12:23 Speaker 3: everything developed and they can you know, their job is

12:28 Speaker 3: to create that place based off the offensive zone. If

12:31 Speaker 3: they see the other team is it's kind of off

12:33 Speaker 3: to one side, they can get the pucket and move

12:36 Speaker 3: over to the opposite side quickly where there's space. Their

12:40 Speaker 3: job also is keep the puck in at the blue line.

12:44 Speaker 3: That's one of the deficiencies that LORIAI has in his game.

12:48 Speaker 3: But I was doing some research and McAvoy is apparently

12:53 Speaker 3: very good at it.

12:54 Speaker 1: So then.

13:00 Speaker 3: They lie there. There was actually I think it was

13:03 Speaker 3: a couple of years ago, there was some stats out

13:05 Speaker 3: there and where is it he was like fourth or

13:11 Speaker 3: fifth in keeping the puck in the zone.

13:15 Speaker 5: I believe it in past years. I believe it.

13:17 Speaker 1: Last year was could not have possibly been one of

13:20 Speaker 1: those here.

13:22 Speaker 4: No, no, because there was a decision made early, you know,

13:28 Speaker 4: the early stages of the season to take Charlie McAvoy

13:33 Speaker 4: off of the role as the quarterback of the power play,

13:37 Speaker 4: and it was being handed over to Hampus Lindholme. So

13:42 Speaker 4: that was short lived because the same game that that

13:45 Speaker 4: was handed over to him, those reins were handed over

13:49 Speaker 4: is when.

13:50 Speaker 5: He got injured. So there went that experiment, right.

13:57 Speaker 3: So and then if you think about it, right, if

13:59 Speaker 3: the puck gets knocked all the way down, their job

14:02 Speaker 3: is to retrieve the pucket and set up the play,

14:04 Speaker 3: the breakout and the transition game. So typically that's that's

14:08 Speaker 3: going to be your best defenseman, your your best skating defenceman.

14:11 Speaker 3: So guys that kind of stand out with those stats

14:14 Speaker 3: are going to be like your Kale mccars. You've got

14:19 Speaker 3: Jake Sanderson, Quinn Hughes, and the one guy I gotta

14:22 Speaker 3: on the see Boston side last year is Shane Gostiscare,

14:25 Speaker 3: So he's he's up there with with power play points.

14:29 Speaker 5: So he's been he's been a steady, steady Eddy for

14:33 Speaker 5: quite some time.

14:34 Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, and look Victor Headman, who used to be

14:37 Speaker 3: really really good, but it's kind of slowed down a

14:39 Speaker 3: little bit. So. So thinking about.

14:42 Speaker 1: Our previous episode about defenceman, right, we kind of categorize

14:47 Speaker 1: three different kinds of defensemen. We have our your offensive defenseman,

14:51 Speaker 1: who really is the strongest offensively.

14:53 Speaker 5: And maybe is a little bit weaker defensively.

14:57 Speaker 1: You've got your two way player who's really kind of

14:59 Speaker 1: like that you orn who can do both, and then

15:01 Speaker 1: your defensive defenseman, who's really that solid old timey blue liner.

15:07 Speaker 1: What would be Are you thinking the defensive defenseman or

15:12 Speaker 1: the two way player is like your ideal because Charlie

15:15 Speaker 1: McAvoy is really like a two way, right. We talked

15:18 Speaker 1: about him being the two way and he's really great,

15:20 Speaker 1: But Hampus would also be really good. I would say

15:23 Speaker 1: he's probably somewhere in between. If it's you know, a

15:27 Speaker 1: spectrum the two way player and the offensive player. Like what,

15:31 Speaker 1: first of all, why do you have a defenseman as

15:35 Speaker 1: part of your power play, right? Because some teams don't

15:38 Speaker 1: do that. A lot of teams when they're on the

15:41 Speaker 1: power play, they switch it up and all of a

15:42 Speaker 1: sudden they choose to put four forwards out there and

15:46 Speaker 1: one defenseman, And.

15:48 Speaker 5: Then others like the Kings or the Toronto.

15:52 Speaker 1: Maple Leafs choose to go with five forwards right up,

15:56 Speaker 1: right right up? Ye?

15:57 Speaker 5: Why why one versus the other? Is one better than

16:01 Speaker 5: the other?

16:02 Speaker 1: And you know, we kind of talked a little bit

16:05 Speaker 1: about what that defenseman should be doing, But is.

16:09 Speaker 5: There an ideal optimal makeup?

16:16 Speaker 3: Yeah, again, I think it kind of depends upon the

16:19 Speaker 3: game situation. Right, if you're down, if it's late, you're

16:22 Speaker 3: probably gonna be a little bit more aggressive and put

16:24 Speaker 3: five forwards out there. Also, if it's a five on three,

16:28 Speaker 3: even at some point in the game, maybe you put

16:29 Speaker 3: all five forwards. So in my mind, you know, the

16:33 Speaker 3: reason why you would put the defenseman out there is

16:35 Speaker 3: just in case they do get a one on one

16:37 Speaker 3: or a two on one. I mean, I don't think

16:39 Speaker 3: any of us want to see pasta back on defense

16:42 Speaker 3: on a two on one and so and most of

16:47 Speaker 3: the time NHL teams have that player who you know

16:54 Speaker 3: is a better skating defenseman, can pass, can shoot, can

16:57 Speaker 3: can do it and can at least play on the

17:00 Speaker 3: power play, right, So it's gonna also depend what skills

17:04 Speaker 3: that defenseman has and and what is it the other team?

17:08 Speaker 3: What what's the team trying to do. Are they trying

17:10 Speaker 3: to passle on the perimeter, Well, then you probably want

17:13 Speaker 3: like a hampuslint home guy who could take the puck,

17:16 Speaker 3: pass it and and make Chris passes. If you're trying

17:20 Speaker 3: to do a crash the net approach where you got

17:23 Speaker 3: too forwards down deep, then maybe you want to Mason

17:26 Speaker 3: Lorii who shoot get the bucks through. Or back in

17:29 Speaker 3: the day, if you had a Chara, you just rip

17:32 Speaker 3: it and you know, grip it the point you just last. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

17:37 Speaker 3: And I think that's why you see like Roman Yosi

17:39 Speaker 3: back when he was really great, he would just get

17:42 Speaker 3: the pug and just rip a slapper and you know

17:44 Speaker 3: they would they would fight for the rebounds or they

17:46 Speaker 3: would screen and go in. So it it all kind

17:49 Speaker 3: of depends what that team is is trying to do.

17:52 Speaker 3: And you know, you got Cale mccarr who can pretty

17:54 Speaker 3: much do everything. So fortunately not every team has that.

17:58 Speaker 3: So but then again, I mean, you know, the five

18:01 Speaker 3: forwards definitely give you more skill, more you know, higher

18:05 Speaker 3: end talent, and and probably a little bit better chemistry

18:09 Speaker 3: because their job is just to focus on offense. But again,

18:12 Speaker 3: you're you're sacrificing that. I guess that that that opportunity

18:17 Speaker 3: to go the other way and give up a prime

18:19 Speaker 3: scoring chance. So it's it's kind of a push, push

18:25 Speaker 3: and pull, give and take. You know, there's there's pros

18:27 Speaker 3: and cons to everything.

18:28 Speaker 5: Mm hmm.

18:29 Speaker 4: I'm curious, Mo, did you in in you know, getting

18:33 Speaker 4: ready to have this conversation with us, did you have

18:38 Speaker 4: a look to see how many shorthanded goals the Bruins

18:42 Speaker 4: actually allowed this season? Because I'm venturing to guests and

18:48 Speaker 4: educated guests would be they would be right at the

18:51 Speaker 4: top of the league.

18:53 Speaker 5: I actually giving up.

18:57 Speaker 3: I don't see that stat I thought they led though, right.

19:00 Speaker 5: I'm pretty sure that they did. So what would cause.

19:07 Speaker 1: In a bad power play?

19:12 Speaker 5: What would cause that kind of statistic to go haywire?

19:19 Speaker 1: You know, in the case of the Bruins or any team,

19:23 Speaker 1: you know, for somebody who may be listening, who is

19:25 Speaker 1: just learning, you know, just tuning in to learn about

19:28 Speaker 1: power play, Why does my team give up so many

19:31 Speaker 1: shorthanded goals? What is happening, Why cannot keep it in

19:38 Speaker 1: what happens?

19:39 Speaker 3: Yep, so, Maria, they the Bruins are tied with Tampa

19:43 Speaker 3: Bay for the most of thirteen.

19:46 Speaker 5: They really good power play?

19:48 Speaker 3: How many thirteen short handed goals? Yeah, so that's what

19:54 Speaker 3: happens at goal difference.

19:57 Speaker 4: And you know, we we can we can delve into

20:00 Speaker 4: this a little bit more because we hear a lot

20:02 Speaker 4: of conversation about how momentum can swing when you have

20:08 Speaker 4: opportunities like this, or you are presented with the powerplay

20:13 Speaker 4: opportunity right where even if you don't score, but you

20:18 Speaker 4: have created some momentum and no offenshives don'ts. But by

20:25 Speaker 4: the same token, when you give up a shorthanded goal,

20:31 Speaker 4: that too can swing the momentum pendulum in the opposite direction.

20:37 Speaker 4: So you know, in your ideal scenario, in your ideal scenario,

20:43 Speaker 4: what might be your potential remedies for the Bruins.

20:51 Speaker 5: I think it's too stagnant and slow, like no speed.

20:59 Speaker 3: Even on And.

21:01 Speaker 1: Is it the lack of movement in the offensive zone

21:04 Speaker 1: that is contributing in their case to these either failed

21:09 Speaker 1: power plays or shorts.

21:12 Speaker 3: All right, I got to try to remember all that now, so.

21:16 Speaker 5: Why are they bad at this why do they stuck

21:19 Speaker 5: at this small?

21:21 Speaker 3: I think they give up a lot of shorthanded opportunities

21:24 Speaker 3: for a couple of reasons. If I go back and

21:28 Speaker 3: think about the games, there seem to have been a

21:32 Speaker 3: lot of kind of short, short odd man rushes I'm shorthanded,

21:36 Speaker 3: where Louri just was not able to keep the puck hand,

21:39 Speaker 3: the puck would bounce off his stick, he couldn't control it.

21:42 Speaker 3: The other team would get on him, and you either

21:44 Speaker 3: have to take a penalty or they'd go in the

21:46 Speaker 3: other way. And I think, then what the risk you

21:51 Speaker 3: run is you have four forwards out there, right, so

21:54 Speaker 3: you still need at least one of those forwards to

21:57 Speaker 3: play higher in the offensive zone. And so because Ria

22:02 Speaker 3: the Brud's power play was slow and stood around, when

22:05 Speaker 3: the puck went to the corner, you would see guys

22:08 Speaker 3: chasing it and that guy high would try to pinch

22:11 Speaker 3: the puck would get past him, and then you'd have

22:13 Speaker 3: the other team go in the other way, and that

22:14 Speaker 3: would give up opportunities. So I think if you're able

22:19 Speaker 3: to have a philosophy of you can be fast in

22:26 Speaker 3: different ways. You can either keep your feet moving and

22:31 Speaker 3: you know. I mean, you've you've got ovechkind, you've got

22:33 Speaker 3: you've got pasta who kind of stand in their spot,

22:36 Speaker 3: which is fine. But what you need to do is,

22:39 Speaker 3: I mean the idea of a power play is to

22:40 Speaker 3: create many two on one situations because you always have

22:43 Speaker 3: that advantage. So what we were always taught is you

22:46 Speaker 3: always wanted to pass the puck, draw the other team

22:49 Speaker 3: kind of over to one side, so then you kind

22:51 Speaker 3: of get the other guy drifting over and then you're

22:54 Speaker 3: able to pass to the guy high pass over and

22:56 Speaker 3: either get a shot, get the guy to the bumper,

22:59 Speaker 3: or you can create kind of little little like mini

23:03 Speaker 3: like two on ones that way. Or you'll see you'll

23:07 Speaker 3: see Florida do a great job where they have a

23:09 Speaker 3: philosophy of it's always I don't know if they dump

23:12 Speaker 3: in chase, but they always for check. They always play

23:14 Speaker 3: behind the net. They're one of the teams that actually

23:17 Speaker 3: does things differently and so it's harder to defend because

23:20 Speaker 3: they don't see it. So again, you can be fast

23:23 Speaker 3: by passing the puck, drawing the other team in passing quickly,

23:27 Speaker 3: you can keep your feet moving, you can go It's

23:31 Speaker 3: it goes back to that that comment of being basically

23:35 Speaker 3: you have to be smart off the puck because that's

23:37 Speaker 3: where the majority of the game happens. So you always

23:41 Speaker 3: saw it with Bergeron in his IQ is he would

23:43 Speaker 3: always kind of be in the right place because he

23:45 Speaker 3: could move to open ice. He kept a movie. He

23:48 Speaker 3: wasn't stationary. So I think one of the other things

23:52 Speaker 3: why Boston sucks and they look slow is I think

23:57 Speaker 3: it was Colorado who started it or that who in

24:00 Speaker 3: my mind I think started that years ago. Was You'll

24:03 Speaker 3: see a guy taking the puck out of their own zone,

24:05 Speaker 3: flying up at the blue line, turn around and pass

24:08 Speaker 3: the puck back to the defenseman who's basically like going

24:11 Speaker 3: about five miles an hour, and you're like, what the

24:14 Speaker 3: hell are you doing?

24:16 Speaker 5: Yes, yeah, but interesting? Yeah, And now you've just slowed

24:23 Speaker 5: things down to a.

24:26 Speaker 3: Fan still, and you've given the other team the ability

24:29 Speaker 3: to stack the blue lines, and now you're.

24:31 Speaker 4: Set themselves up and be ready for whatever you might

24:35 Speaker 4: be contemplating next.

24:37 Speaker 3: Right, And I get it if you're dropping the puck

24:39 Speaker 3: back to like Koe mccar or like a Quinn Hughes,

24:42 Speaker 3: but you're dropping it to Macavoyd like it's okay, but it's.

24:47 Speaker 1: It's not you know, right, those guys are next level,

24:51 Speaker 1: their next level, Like he's fine, he's an excellent defenceman,

24:54 Speaker 1: but they're just next level, right.

24:56 Speaker 3: And then what you see is you'll see the guys

24:58 Speaker 3: either have to dump the puck because there's nothing else

25:01 Speaker 3: to do. You'll see them try to make a move

25:03 Speaker 3: and they'll give the puck up and it gets dumbed.

25:05 Speaker 3: Do they go the other way or it results in

25:07 Speaker 3: the off sides or it just nothing happens. And I

25:11 Speaker 3: think that's why we saw the power play just be

25:14 Speaker 3: so stagnant and one of the things that kind of

25:18 Speaker 3: pissed me off early in the year. And I don't

25:20 Speaker 3: know if I'm like breaming this or what, but they

25:23 Speaker 3: seem to have had a strategy where like the forward

25:27 Speaker 3: not on the power play, but even strength. But you

25:29 Speaker 3: could use this philosophy with is being quick, but if

25:34 Speaker 3: you're quick with the puck, that's almost more deadly than

25:38 Speaker 3: you know, skating straight ahead speed. So what they'd do

25:41 Speaker 3: is they'd have the forward the wing blu line. They'd

25:44 Speaker 3: have the center kind of cut back around skating full speed.

25:47 Speaker 3: Defenseman will hit the forward. The forward would back pass

25:50 Speaker 3: a little bit to the center who's got a full

25:52 Speaker 3: head of steam, and the defence then is kind of

25:55 Speaker 3: caught between does he keep backing up to give that

25:57 Speaker 3: forward now he's got all the time in the world,

25:59 Speaker 3: or do you back up and you know, let the

26:02 Speaker 3: fully blow past you. So it was it was great

26:05 Speaker 3: to see, and then they just got rid of it

26:07 Speaker 3: for some unknown reason. So I think the best way

26:15 Speaker 3: to fix this team is you've got to get rid

26:17 Speaker 3: of the assistant coaches.

26:19 Speaker 5: I was going to go there because we've used the

26:21 Speaker 5: word philosophy. We've used the word philosophy here.

26:25 Speaker 3: It all starts.

26:26 Speaker 5: Yeah, But I mean there's clearly a disconnect. Either what

26:31 Speaker 5: is what is being.

26:34 Speaker 4: Potentially coached is not resonating, or it is not being

26:40 Speaker 4: coached because you don't have a system for this specialty

26:46 Speaker 4: team unit that is putting the players in a position

26:51 Speaker 4: to succeed. Because I can't believe that it's for a

26:56 Speaker 4: lack of talent. No, you know, I know we have

27:00 Speaker 4: no Burge run anymore, and I know we have no

27:02 Speaker 4: crazy anymore. But you know, we still have a pasta.

27:06 Speaker 4: We still had a brad marshand, we still had a

27:09 Speaker 4: Charlie Coyle. We still had an Elias Linda, and we

27:12 Speaker 4: still had a Pavo Zaka. I still had you know,

27:14 Speaker 4: a Charlie Mackavoyd. So when when you have to look

27:19 Speaker 4: and you know, look at the blame pie, who gets

27:23 Speaker 4: the bigger slice of the blame pie.

27:25 Speaker 3: Well, yeah, I mean you've got talented enough players where

27:31 Speaker 3: those talented players just aren't put in that position or

27:34 Speaker 3: aren't given either free reign to do what they want,

27:39 Speaker 3: or they just don't have the right set play. So

27:41 Speaker 3: I think it has to start and stop almost with

27:44 Speaker 3: the coaching. I mean when I think about it, when

27:48 Speaker 3: when Monty first came in, why the Bruins were so

27:51 Speaker 3: effective and why they had the best season is they

27:54 Speaker 3: had a different philosophy where it was engaged the defenseman

27:58 Speaker 3: engaged four people, you know, speed transition game and no

28:02 Speaker 3: one could defend it. And they had a team built

28:06 Speaker 3: perfect for that strategy. I mean you had Taylor Hall

28:09 Speaker 3: and on the third line like it was. It was perfect.

28:13 Speaker 3: So it it definitely all starts with philosophy, and you

28:20 Speaker 3: really have to create a team either that matches your

28:23 Speaker 3: coaches philosophy or get players that match the coach's philosophy.

28:28 Speaker 3: So it's and right now, it's it's just like we

28:31 Speaker 3: put whatever we think because you know, there's there's no cohesion,

28:36 Speaker 3: So it's it's it's an interesting thing. And for this

28:40 Speaker 3: Bruins team, I don't even know how you raft a

28:44 Speaker 3: power play or or what style you would play. I

28:48 Speaker 3: mean it might be kind of fun to put I mean,

28:53 Speaker 3: maybe put Zadora off back there and just let him

28:56 Speaker 3: rip one timers, just crash the net and see what happens.

29:00 Speaker 3: I mean, he.

29:02 Speaker 5: Does have some skill. We saw it.

29:05 Speaker 4: We saw it late in the in the season where

29:10 Speaker 4: he would and you know, maybe on a couple of

29:13 Speaker 4: occasions he might have picked the wrong opportunity to rush

29:16 Speaker 4: the plot in because he's not the most fleet of foot. However,

29:23 Speaker 4: I'd be down with that because I don't think you

29:27 Speaker 4: can look this. This team's got a lot of things

29:30 Speaker 4: that need fixing. Yeah, that need fixing.

29:35 Speaker 5: But you know, at some point you've got to be

29:39 Speaker 5: able to have your specialty teams units working at a

29:44 Speaker 5: much higher degree than what we saw this past season.

29:51 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean we were basically forced to last in

29:56 Speaker 3: power play, you know, Flyers, Islanders and worse, Oh my god.

30:02 Speaker 4: And again don't like in your and again this sounds like,

30:07 Speaker 4: you know, I'm being disrespectful, and I don't mean it

30:09 Speaker 4: in that.

30:10 Speaker 5: Manner, but when you're grouped.

30:14 Speaker 4: In that same group, you're you're not having a good time.

30:19 Speaker 5: You're not having a good time.

30:21 Speaker 3: I would say, when the Sabers and the Sharks and

30:26 Speaker 3: the Blackhawks are well above you, you're probably not doing.

30:29 Speaker 7: So good right well, you know, I think for for

30:35 Speaker 7: looking to next season, you know, I I've learned a

30:41 Speaker 7: lot from you Mo in our discord group, which everybody

30:45 Speaker 7: who listens should totally.

30:47 Speaker 5: Join just to listen or read.

30:50 Speaker 1: You don't have to be a super expert on place

30:53 Speaker 1: and everything like Mo.

30:56 Speaker 5: Yeah, just.

30:59 Speaker 1: I've learned it. And I've been a lifelong hockey fan,

31:03 Speaker 1: and I think, you know, I think the it's not

31:09 Speaker 1: the be all, end all solution, but quite frankly, I

31:12 Speaker 1: think some of the solutions are very very simple because

31:14 Speaker 1: what I've become really attuned to in the last season

31:18 Speaker 1: is the fact that this team, this Boston Bruins team

31:24 Speaker 1: as it has existed at least in the last couple

31:27 Speaker 1: of seasons, has failed to do two things.

31:30 Speaker 5: One moved their feet.

31:33 Speaker 1: You know. One of the comments like and I think Mo,

31:36 Speaker 1: you really started this in the discord, and I think

31:38 Speaker 1: everybody who participate in the game day conversation has started

31:44 Speaker 1: to pay attention to this and look for this, which

31:46 Speaker 1: is what those five players on the ice and see

31:52 Speaker 1: how much not just the puck passing that happens, but

31:56 Speaker 1: the physical moving and kind of almost like turning the

32:00 Speaker 1: waters around that area. So you're not just trying to

32:04 Speaker 1: kind of, you know, confuse the opponent with your passing,

32:08 Speaker 1: but you're confusing the opponent while simultaneously moving. And very

32:13 Speaker 1: rarely did we see good movement. And that's something that

32:16 Speaker 1: I've definitely learned from you to pay attention to and

32:19 Speaker 1: look at. And I think first order of business is,

32:24 Speaker 1: you know, institute like bring that in. There's gotta be

32:29 Speaker 1: more movement. And the number one reason why not, just

32:33 Speaker 1: because you want to constantly keep your opponent in you know, confusion,

32:38 Speaker 1: so to speak. If you screw up your feet.

32:42 Speaker 5: Which are already in motional are a.

32:44 Speaker 1: Lot easier to keep moving and move in the other

32:47 Speaker 1: direction as opposed to when you are standing still.

32:50 Speaker 5: The most difficult.

32:54 Speaker 1: You know, way to get to another place is if

32:57 Speaker 1: is coming from a stand still, right, And so I

33:00 Speaker 1: think that also contributed to a lot of the shorthanded goals.

33:05 Speaker 1: The other huge thing with the departure of Patrice Bergeron,

33:11 Speaker 1: we did.

33:12 Speaker 5: Get this with James van Riemsdyke.

33:15 Speaker 1: I liked him because he liked Bergeron occupied that bumper spot,

33:20 Speaker 1: right that spot right in front of the net, just

33:24 Speaker 1: below the you know, just below the slot where you

33:27 Speaker 1: have somebody where their job is, you know, deflections and

33:32 Speaker 1: screens and just being right there. So that way when

33:37 Speaker 1: you had people just take shots, just take the shots,

33:41 Speaker 1: you've got also somebody right there for the rebounds. And

33:46 Speaker 1: zero people occupied that role last season this past season.

33:51 Speaker 5: Zero.

33:52 Speaker 4: Well, I think Eliah Slndholme was you know, mental right

33:59 Speaker 4: and again, but they didn't put him.

34:01 Speaker 1: There then no, literally nobody was ever so physically there

34:06 Speaker 1: is what what is the you know is again, are

34:09 Speaker 1: we talking about inept coaching or a lack of stubbornness

34:14 Speaker 1: or unbillingness or the player out of position or was

34:18 Speaker 1: the coach saying, eh, well, gotta.

34:22 Speaker 5: Players, Yeah, it's.

34:27 Speaker 3: It's it's it's so tough though, because.

34:33 Speaker 1: Plus you've got the shorthanded goals situation issue, which is

34:39 Speaker 1: again the Bruins were spoiled in having someone like Patrice Bergeron,

34:45 Speaker 1: who was that again two hundred foot player who he

34:48 Speaker 1: centered the wings and he centered the defenceman. Right, So

34:53 Speaker 1: if you screwed up right and the puck goes out

34:57 Speaker 1: of his own, you not only have your denman who

35:01 Speaker 1: can go after the puck to try and salvage the situation,

35:05 Speaker 1: but you had someone like Patrice Bergeron who could hustle

35:08 Speaker 1: back there and serve as that second defenseman.

35:12 Speaker 5: Essentially.

35:13 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, no, for sure, yep, they don't have a

35:16 Speaker 1: true center, like they just don't have one right now, right, No, I.

35:22 Speaker 3: Mean Lindholm was was kind of brought in to be

35:25 Speaker 3: that guy. I like him on the power Play, especially

35:29 Speaker 3: because he does seem to win win those draws, which

35:32 Speaker 3: is critical. I mean, you need you need to win

35:36 Speaker 3: that face off in order to you know, to get

35:38 Speaker 3: that get that momentum going for you.

35:41 Speaker 4: I think does seem to be adverse to like, you know,

35:45 Speaker 4: setting up in Mark Riki's office either you know, and

35:49 Speaker 4: and kind of getting getting in there either you know,

35:52 Speaker 4: to to create a screen or to cause you know,

35:55 Speaker 4: to be maybe the potential to you know, to tip

35:58 Speaker 4: in a shot. But it just you know, the the

36:02 Speaker 4: sample size was so so small, and you know, and

36:07 Speaker 4: and you know, I don't know about the rest of you,

36:10 Speaker 4: but my my hope is that when there is a

36:16 Speaker 4: new coach put in place, that this coach will be

36:20 Speaker 4: afforded the opportunity to choose his own coaching staff and

36:26 Speaker 4: develop his own philosophies in terms of you know, five.

36:33 Speaker 5: On five play, power play.

36:37 Speaker 3: And penalty Yep. Yeah, So I think the biggest the

36:43 Speaker 3: biggest problem for me is is having Zaka in the bumper.

36:47 Speaker 3: I think we've we've seen it too many times where

36:50 Speaker 3: shots just go over the net, they go wide, And

36:53 Speaker 3: I'm okay with Zaka being out there, but in my mind,

36:56 Speaker 3: he's more of a setup guy, where I'd rather have

36:59 Speaker 3: him like dow Low on the side of the net

37:01 Speaker 3: and then go in for the rebounds because he's got

37:04 Speaker 3: good hands, you know, he should be able to tap

37:06 Speaker 3: in a rebound or grab the puck, move it back

37:09 Speaker 3: up high and and see what happens. But I think

37:13 Speaker 3: moving forward, I think the Bruins have to get rid

37:16 Speaker 3: of the bumper power play. They basically just have to

37:19 Speaker 3: trap that and and just assume it doesn't exist and

37:23 Speaker 3: it's it's dead, and go on and and really play

37:28 Speaker 3: to the strength of your players. So if you've got

37:30 Speaker 3: like a fabian life cyle out there that you know,

37:33 Speaker 3: you know, if he makes the team next year, stick

37:36 Speaker 3: him down low and and just let him play. If

37:39 Speaker 3: we have met Patra out there next year, maybe have

37:42 Speaker 3: him high so he can you know, read the play

37:44 Speaker 3: and pass or use skating uh to open up a

37:48 Speaker 3: shot lane. Gotta love parents, Doug Barkain. So it's split, Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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40:25 Speaker 5: Ro Yes, yeah, you're you're the coach, all right. We

40:30 Speaker 5: are giving you the We're making you the power play coach.

40:36 Speaker 1: What do you do with Mason Lowray? Yeah?

40:39 Speaker 3: Makeup a forward.

40:42 Speaker 5: I had to do that, right, you had to do that? Now?

40:44 Speaker 5: It was yeah, picking on him a little bit, how what?

40:47 Speaker 4: But in his defense, you know, he he was put

40:51 Speaker 4: in a role that he likely didn't expect to be

40:54 Speaker 4: put in because of the injuries to hampuslund Home and

40:58 Speaker 4: Charlie McAvoy and and while he might have gotten you know,

41:02 Speaker 4: some looks at some point, if those two guys had

41:05 Speaker 4: been healthy, I'm not sure that he would have been

41:11 Speaker 4: he would have been anointed this as early as this

41:15 Speaker 4: season to be for power play quarterbacks. So, you know,

41:20 Speaker 4: with with all guys being healthy, let's let's start because I, I,

41:24 Speaker 4: again I've said this before, think that you build a

41:27 Speaker 4: team from the back end forward. So let's start with

41:31 Speaker 4: who who's your quarterback for unit number one?

41:37 Speaker 3: Yeah, so I think I would probably I would try

41:40 Speaker 3: something a little bit out of bounds. And it all

41:46 Speaker 3: depends who comes back and if they sign any free agents,

41:49 Speaker 3: but I think I would probably put Lori and lind

41:53 Speaker 3: Holme out there on the top. Power play. You have

41:58 Speaker 3: Lindholm as your guy that's out high, whose job is

42:01 Speaker 3: to kind of go boards to boards, keep the puck

42:04 Speaker 3: in be that odd be that high release valve in

42:07 Speaker 3: case someone gets pressured. And then I would let Laurai

42:11 Speaker 3: just kind of skate around. He's got no set position

42:15 Speaker 3: on the ice. His job is to just kind of

42:18 Speaker 3: create havoc uses skating. He's got great stick handling, he's

42:22 Speaker 3: you know, you guys see him in the warm ups.

42:24 Speaker 3: His his control is incredible and and his shot is

42:29 Speaker 3: really good since I mean he played forward growing up.

42:33 Speaker 3: So I think I would I would grab those two guys.

42:35 Speaker 3: I think Pasta and Geeky have to be out there together,

42:41 Speaker 3: just because Geeky's one timer has developed into a real

42:45 Speaker 3: good weapon. And if you've got both Pasta and Geeky

42:48 Speaker 3: out there, then it's it's pretty where's the play? And

42:57 Speaker 3: then that's where you've got Lai, who's job is to

43:01 Speaker 3: almost draw players with him. So if you're skating slowly

43:05 Speaker 3: around the net, you're going to get the attention of

43:08 Speaker 3: that forward, which makes Geeky open for a split second,

43:12 Speaker 3: or it makes you know. We'll get into it later.

43:15 Speaker 3: But you know, penalty kill is all about stick position.

43:18 Speaker 3: If you go to an area that is more high

43:21 Speaker 3: danger that they're gonna you know, your job as a

43:25 Speaker 3: penalty killer is to defend that pass, so you open

43:28 Speaker 3: the pass to the other way. So little things like that,

43:31 Speaker 3: and then I would say, I would say, whoever's probably

43:36 Speaker 3: better down low with the board play. So it was

43:40 Speaker 3: obviously never Trent Frederick put in there. Thank God we

43:42 Speaker 3: don't have to deal with him.

43:44 Speaker 1: I know I.

43:48 Speaker 3: Had to so you've got it would almost be like

43:52 Speaker 3: I think Matthew K. Chuck on Florida. Who's who's really

43:56 Speaker 3: good down low behind you know, behind the net on

43:58 Speaker 3: the boards. So I don't know if that's a guy

44:01 Speaker 3: like lind Home. I know that's why I maybe you

44:05 Speaker 3: hate to say it, but a guy like Bennett would

44:08 Speaker 3: maybe be a good guy down low that could you know,

44:10 Speaker 3: I know, but at least still injure Toronto goalies for us.

44:16 Speaker 3: But you know, maybe you've got Zaka down there who

44:19 Speaker 3: you know, does have hands, can't pass, or or lind Holm.

44:23 Speaker 3: I don't know if middle stat will develop into something.

44:26 Speaker 3: And then what you do on the second power play

44:29 Speaker 3: is I you know, uh, it all depends how many

44:34 Speaker 3: forward you have. If you put li Cele out there,

44:36 Speaker 3: maybe McAvoy, I mean McAvoy is a decent passer, He

44:41 Speaker 3: does have decent vision, and he skates well.

44:44 Speaker 5: So I've got the door of a shot on that

44:48 Speaker 5: second unit.

44:49 Speaker 3: I was thinking that too. I mean Zadora does does

44:52 Speaker 3: skate well. He's a big, huge dude, so I mean

44:55 Speaker 3: he can move well. I just worry sometime I don't

45:01 Speaker 3: know if his decision making is is yeah, which is

45:08 Speaker 3: why maybe, Yeah, which is why maybe if you have

45:11 Speaker 3: you know, if if Yoki Haru is bad or where

45:14 Speaker 3: they have someone else, you know, play with him that

45:18 Speaker 3: you know actually is more of a puck mover, then

45:22 Speaker 3: maybe Zadora's job is just to kind of be like

45:25 Speaker 3: a Charra on the power play and just grip it

45:27 Speaker 3: and just fire it and get a bunch of big

45:30 Speaker 3: bodies if you've got guys like middle stat out there,

45:34 Speaker 3: you know, and and hope they kind of fight for

45:36 Speaker 3: the puck in front, and then my cell just kind

45:38 Speaker 3: of stays off to the side. Hope the puck comes

45:40 Speaker 3: to me, just rip it in. So but I think

45:43 Speaker 3: the Bruins gotta get got to get away from the

45:46 Speaker 3: bumper it's and they got to get rid of that.

45:49 Speaker 4: Back pass, right And the definition of madness is, you know,

45:56 Speaker 4: seemingly doing the same thing over and over again and

46:00 Speaker 4: expecting a different result.

46:03 Speaker 1: So and how many times have we seen that go

46:06 Speaker 1: disastrously wrong? Yes, because of the path, you know, and

46:12 Speaker 1: what if you're thinking about the first and second unit,

46:15 Speaker 1: you know, I've definitely heard I mean I don't necessarily

46:20 Speaker 1: pay attention to, you know, the clock in terms of

46:23 Speaker 1: how long someone is out there for for the special teams.

46:26 Speaker 1: But ideally, let's let's assume that you know, the power

46:32 Speaker 1: play is not successful and you're talking about your two

46:35 Speaker 1: minutes whatever, ye are you? What's the what's the breakdown

46:41 Speaker 1: in terms of the amount of time that you're having

46:43 Speaker 1: your first unit out there versus your second unit?

46:45 Speaker 5: Is there question?

46:48 Speaker 1: Is there what kind of difference is there between the

46:52 Speaker 1: first unit and that second unit? Besides obviously you you know,

46:56 Speaker 1: it might be exhausting to.

46:57 Speaker 5: Have something that's.

46:59 Speaker 1: Insane, But then we hear all the time about how

47:02 Speaker 1: Pasta's out there for two minutes, so like is he

47:04 Speaker 1: just out there? And then everyone else is switching up,

47:06 Speaker 1: like what's going on?

47:08 Speaker 3: Yeah, that that's what it looks like, mostly because Pasta

47:11 Speaker 3: is post stationary off to the side. Will Vetchkins always

47:14 Speaker 3: out there?

47:14 Speaker 5: Yeah, no, Vegans, the power play doesn't. You're right, You're right,

47:20 Speaker 5: You're right, And to be honest.

47:21 Speaker 3: I probably okay if Pasta's out there, you know, for

47:24 Speaker 3: for two minutes. But yeah, like, is there actually.

47:27 Speaker 5: A difference between these two groups.

47:30 Speaker 3: It'd be an interesting thing to look at. But I mean,

47:33 Speaker 3: typically your your power play one is going to be

47:35 Speaker 3: the guys that start right they they start the power

47:38 Speaker 3: play because you got the offensive zone draw, so you

47:41 Speaker 3: want your best players. They're the guys that could start

47:44 Speaker 3: the momentum. And then you'll always see if the puck

47:46 Speaker 3: gets banked down, probably thirty forty five seconds, you're gonna

47:50 Speaker 3: send your second unit out there, and then you know,

47:53 Speaker 3: you might see the power play one go back out there.

47:58 Speaker 3: But you would think power play one plays, you know,

48:01 Speaker 3: thirty forty five seconds, second power play unit, and if

48:04 Speaker 3: he plays thirty, then you could put your top power

48:07 Speaker 3: play guys back out there, and then when it goes

48:10 Speaker 3: five on five, you're probably gonna put your third line.

48:13 Speaker 3: You know, maybe the you'll you'll often see kind of

48:17 Speaker 3: like weird line combinations after a power play because it's

48:20 Speaker 3: just guys kind of like just jumped together that never

48:24 Speaker 3: really played together, just because I said, so many people

48:26 Speaker 3: going back and court. Yeah, so it's I again, it

48:31 Speaker 3: probably depends on the coach's philosophy as well, and how

48:35 Speaker 3: how much of a difference there is between your power

48:38 Speaker 3: plays based off of talent, and honestly, probably how the

48:42 Speaker 3: game's momentum is going. I mean, we've seen games where

48:45 Speaker 3: pasta doesn't look all that great, so we probably don't

48:47 Speaker 3: want them out there.

48:48 Speaker 1: Right, So, and it seemed like last season, for at

48:52 Speaker 1: least a stretch, the power play two unit was doing better,

48:58 Speaker 1: was more successful, whether they were their feet were moving

49:01 Speaker 1: a lot more, they looked better, they had more chances

49:03 Speaker 1: and opportunities, or they quite literally scored more frequently. So like, then,

49:08 Speaker 1: why were they a second unit? Why didn't they then

49:12 Speaker 1: become kind of the first unit? Or is it somewhat arbitrary?

49:18 Speaker 4: Well, let me throw a monkey wrench into that question.

49:21 Speaker 4: Could any of that have to do with the fact

49:23 Speaker 4: that you know, when you put your first unit out there,

49:27 Speaker 4: you're getting the others team's number one PK unit, And

49:31 Speaker 4: then you throw your second unit out there, and you're,

49:35 Speaker 4: presumably if they have the opportunity to change, you're getting

49:40 Speaker 4: the second PK unit of the other team, which maybe

49:44 Speaker 4: doesn't have the same skill level.

49:46 Speaker 5: And I wonder if that has something.

49:48 Speaker 3: To do with Yeah, could be yeah, And I think

49:51 Speaker 3: early on, didn't we see like Hostelic and those guys,

49:55 Speaker 3: at least it was even strengthened, and the fourth line

49:57 Speaker 3: was the basically the top line right right right, because

50:02 Speaker 3: you had Nostelic who moved his feet shot in on

50:04 Speaker 3: the fore check. You had Beacher who looked like he

50:07 Speaker 3: was skating, had some confidence in his games. So I

50:11 Speaker 3: think it's all it's kind of how the season goes,

50:15 Speaker 3: how the game goes, and like you said, your top

50:17 Speaker 3: power play goes against the top penalty killers. I mean,

50:19 Speaker 3: a power play is not going to look great against

50:21 Speaker 3: further on a marshand, you know, but you you put

50:25 Speaker 3: you know, I don't know who else is out there,

50:27 Speaker 3: but you got it's like Frederick and Coyle. Maybe you're

50:30 Speaker 3: going to do a little bit better. So it's it's, it's,

50:36 Speaker 3: it's it's it's the greatest part of the game because

50:38 Speaker 3: you get these little mini matchups that just anything can happen.

50:43 Speaker 3: And that's why I'm a firm believer that special teams

50:47 Speaker 3: wins the Cup. Like you need that momentum, you you

50:51 Speaker 3: need it, so it's just you gotta have it.

50:55 Speaker 4: Except in twenty eleven, although I will say ruins goaltending

51:01 Speaker 4: and defensive skills and their penalty kill units were.

51:10 Speaker 1: A battle of philosophies overall right here, or I talk

51:16 Speaker 1: about the PK in our next episode, in our next episode.

51:20 Speaker 4: But mo, this has been very, very insightful, very educational.

51:27 Speaker 4: I think we can all agree that, if you know,

51:32 Speaker 4: if we want things to change, because I myself cannot

51:38 Speaker 4: stand when I see hockey players not moving their feet. Nothing,

51:44 Speaker 4: nothing good ever happens in a hockey game when you

51:48 Speaker 4: don't move your feet. And so you know, to me,

51:57 Speaker 4: the way that it's been coached has got to change.

52:03 Speaker 4: It absolutely pass to change, because if you're moving forward

52:10 Speaker 4: with you know, a different roster and a retool and

52:14 Speaker 4: a rebuild, right, you've got to You've got to work

52:17 Speaker 4: on every aspect of rebuilding your game, and and and

52:24 Speaker 4: these these units can be the make or break of

52:29 Speaker 4: a game, and they can be the identity of your team.

52:34 Speaker 4: And there have been passed Bruins teams that had very

52:40 Speaker 4: specific and distinct identity and known for their defensive structure,

52:48 Speaker 4: suffocating other teams when their power play units, the other

52:54 Speaker 4: team's power play units were on the ice. And I

52:56 Speaker 4: would love to see that come back in some way,

53:00 Speaker 4: shape or form.

53:01 Speaker 5: I don't know how you all feel about that, but

53:04 Speaker 5: mm hmmmm hmm, yep.

53:07 Speaker 4: Maybe I'm preached into the choir, but you are. I know,

53:12 Speaker 4: I got to preach to to Donnie Boy. But yeah,

53:16 Speaker 4: they don't like to answer too many questions, so I

53:18 Speaker 4: don't think we'll ever get the opportunity to do so.

53:21 Speaker 3: So, but.

53:24 Speaker 5: Thank you.

53:25 Speaker 4: I hope you all enjoyed this. I hope you all

53:29 Speaker 4: learned something. Moe has put a good deal of time, effort,

53:34 Speaker 4: and energy into these segments and we greatly greatly appreciate it.

53:41 Speaker 3: Yeah, I app Yeah. No.

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54:01 Speaker 3: Yeah.

54:01 Speaker 5: Thanks is always Mo.

54:04 Speaker 3: You're welcome. Go bees.

54:05 Speaker 1: You want to say it, and it's always go bees,

54:09 Speaker 1: go Ba