Whatever Happened to the Bruins' Penalty Kill? | Ep. 91

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3:16 Speaker 5: So we're here today to talk about the other half

3:21 Speaker 5: of special.

3:22 Speaker 1: Teams, which is the penalty kill. Now, for longtime Bruins fans,

3:29 Speaker 1: you know, the penalty kill has been something of a

3:33 Speaker 1: specialty of this team. It's something that they have been

3:38 Speaker 1: known for for many, many years, particularly.

3:43 Speaker 5: Owing to the fact that they've had a very.

3:47 Speaker 1: Robust defensive structure in place for god i well over

3:55 Speaker 1: a decade, if not longer. It's really been as we

3:59 Speaker 1: discussed a couple of episodes back when we talked about

4:02 Speaker 1: defense and you know, the philosophy of building ideal defensive pairs.

4:07 Speaker 1: You know, it's something that is just truly embedded in

4:10 Speaker 1: what it needs to be a Boston Bruin and even

4:13 Speaker 1: in the Providence the Providence Bruins. So the fact that

4:19 Speaker 1: we probably witnessed the worst penalty kill that we have

4:26 Speaker 1: ever seen this franchise have, we want to kind of

4:33 Speaker 1: talk about how and why, and you know, also eventually

4:38 Speaker 1: we will get to the point the question of how

4:41 Speaker 1: can we get it back.

4:43 Speaker 5: So Moe, we're putting you on.

4:45 Speaker 1: The spot, and I want to remind all of our

4:50 Speaker 1: listeners that we have some of Moe's philosophies on our substacks,

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4:58 Speaker 1: as the summer goes on. Because we're always thinking about hockey,

5:03 Speaker 1: so well tell us a little bit first and foremost,

5:07 Speaker 1: let's start at the beginning.

5:09 Speaker 5: Penalty kill.

5:10 Speaker 1: Obviously the number one priority prevent the team the other

5:16 Speaker 1: team it's poring a power play goal. But how how

5:21 Speaker 1: does a team successfully execute a penalty kill?

5:28 Speaker 2: Yep? So when I was always growing up that the

5:33 Speaker 2: penalty kill was was if I had a specialty, this

5:36 Speaker 2: was it. And I never really went on to play

5:39 Speaker 2: anything special, but I mean I played double and triple

5:42 Speaker 2: A hockey, so you know, we were traveling all around

5:44 Speaker 2: playing the best players. So when I was playing, my

5:48 Speaker 2: philosophy out there that we were always taught and what

5:51 Speaker 2: we always watched was in order to stop the power play,

5:54 Speaker 2: keep the puck to the outside, if let them pass,

5:58 Speaker 2: let them pass for two minutes. They're not going to

6:00 Speaker 2: score if they don't shoot, and they're not gonna shoot

6:03 Speaker 2: if they don't get the puck in a prime scoring area.

6:06 Speaker 2: So what you try to see a lot of teams

6:09 Speaker 2: do is you hope the other team plays that kind

6:14 Speaker 2: of umbrella perimeter style, And what you do is you play,

6:18 Speaker 2: you know the box structure right, four guys, and what

6:23 Speaker 2: you kind of do is based off of who's got

6:25 Speaker 2: the puck and what the other team is doing. You know,

6:28 Speaker 2: you'll have if the pucks on this side, the forward

6:31 Speaker 2: will kind of scoot over and kind of cheat, kind

6:34 Speaker 2: of play a little bit higher where you might get

6:36 Speaker 2: like a one one two. So really you're trying to

6:39 Speaker 2: keep the puck to the outside. So you do that

6:42 Speaker 2: with body position, but then you also do that with

6:44 Speaker 2: stick position. And I think that's why Marshan, Bersharon, even

6:48 Speaker 2: Coyle and Frederick to a point we're so good is

6:52 Speaker 2: because they were able to put the puck inside the

6:54 Speaker 2: passing lakes. So I mean, your stick can either be

6:57 Speaker 2: only on your left or right side right, and what

7:01 Speaker 2: you're trying to do is keep the puck going to

7:04 Speaker 2: the outside. So you always want to keep kind of

7:07 Speaker 2: keep your stick in the middle and kind of create

7:10 Speaker 2: almost with your up with the guy next to you,

7:13 Speaker 2: almost like a like a like an embargo of sticks

7:17 Speaker 2: where you can intercept a pass if it goes cross

7:19 Speaker 2: or in the middle. And then what you also need

7:23 Speaker 2: is if the puck is juggled or someone loses it,

7:27 Speaker 2: you need to have the instinct and the acceleration to

7:30 Speaker 2: get on that player and force him to go somewhere

7:33 Speaker 2: or give it up. And I think the Bruins have

7:36 Speaker 2: kind of lost a little bit of their They don't

7:40 Speaker 2: seem to be as quick on on the penalty kill anymore.

7:45 Speaker 2: I mean we've lost Marshan Coyle seemed to slow down

7:49 Speaker 2: at the end of there. I mean, really, some of

7:51 Speaker 2: the only guys we've got is Beacher's who's quick and

7:54 Speaker 2: kind of get on guys. And then really you got

7:59 Speaker 2: to look at the goal as your fifth guide. You'll

8:01 Speaker 2: see a lot I was going to go there, and

8:05 Speaker 2: so you'll see a lot of times where the announcers

8:07 Speaker 2: are like, you know, we we need we need a

8:10 Speaker 2: we need a whistle, right because it will just be

8:12 Speaker 2: an onslaught and it's the goalie responsibility to stop the game,

8:16 Speaker 2: slow it down, let everybody regroup, let people change. And

8:20 Speaker 2: I think we saw early on why the power by

8:22 Speaker 2: the penalty feel suffered was Swayman was leaky, you know,

8:25 Speaker 2: I mean he missed all of training camp, he missed

8:27 Speaker 2: the regular season. It took him a good six months

8:33 Speaker 2: probably to get into a rhythm. And I mean Corpuslo

8:37 Speaker 2: did his best, but I mean he's he's a backup

8:40 Speaker 2: goalie for a reason. So if I don't know how

8:43 Speaker 2: many you know soft power play goals against the Bruins

8:47 Speaker 2: gave up because it swayman, but you have to think

8:50 Speaker 2: that early on that accounted for it, and it's just

8:53 Speaker 2: kind of snowballs from there.

8:56 Speaker 1: So when you talk about the Bruins slow going down,

9:01 Speaker 1: are you talking about so one of the things that

9:06 Speaker 1: we talked about as being a necessity for power play

9:10 Speaker 1: is obviously having players constantly moving their feet right, feet

9:14 Speaker 1: moving is important. Now it's a little bit different when

9:19 Speaker 1: you were on the penalty kill. Obviously you're not moving

9:22 Speaker 1: your feet quite as much. So are you talking about

9:24 Speaker 1: feet movement or are you talking about maybe something different.

9:29 Speaker 2: I would say quickness. Right, So, on the penalty kill,

9:32 Speaker 2: you you stand around or you play yours. You kind

9:35 Speaker 2: of feel like a zone coverage right like you're you're

9:38 Speaker 2: you're moving around a little bit, but you're not supposed

9:41 Speaker 2: to go from like the right side to the left

9:42 Speaker 2: side down right to the bottom right, so you you

9:45 Speaker 2: keep your kind of two on one little area and

9:49 Speaker 2: that's your responsibility. Unless you know the defensemen cut down,

9:52 Speaker 2: then obviously you're going to collapse the box and those things.

9:57 Speaker 2: But I think in terms of speed on the penalty

10:01 Speaker 2: kill is you have to be able to close shorter

10:04 Speaker 2: gaps in a faster amount of time. And you can have,

10:08 Speaker 2: you know, marathon speed like zadorof who can skate from

10:13 Speaker 2: goal line to goal line because his legs are long,

10:16 Speaker 2: but you can't get the acceleration if a guy is

10:20 Speaker 2: maybe five feet away from you and jungles the puck

10:22 Speaker 2: and now you can go on him in an instant.

10:25 Speaker 2: You know, it's it's a game of seconds and game

10:27 Speaker 2: of inches, and if you're late, it's the puck's already gone.

10:32 Speaker 1: More more about like reflexes and power explosion.

10:37 Speaker 2: And you saw that in Marshand in his prime, I

10:40 Speaker 2: mean that guy would outwork everybody and beat people to

10:43 Speaker 2: the puck. And you've also got to be smart, I

10:46 Speaker 2: mean bergeron again. That comes into effect with your stick,

10:50 Speaker 2: your stick positioning, your body positioning too, And I think

10:54 Speaker 2: maybe that's why the brew and suffered is Carlow was

10:58 Speaker 2: never good at boxing the guy forward out in front

11:01 Speaker 2: of the net, so they would swallow up rebounds or screen.

11:05 Speaker 2: They wouldn't push them out of the way or tie

11:08 Speaker 2: up their sticks. I mean, I can remember where you know,

11:11 Speaker 2: they would try to just like put the blade on

11:13 Speaker 2: the other guy's stick and they would just you know,

11:16 Speaker 2: outwork whoever was there, and it's an easy goal. So

11:20 Speaker 2: there's there's little things like that. But I think the

11:23 Speaker 2: biggest thing that the Bruins are kind of lacking. It's

11:27 Speaker 2: kind of that like initial burst of speed, quickness, and

11:29 Speaker 2: then maybe that defensive zone coverage where they like Loria's

11:33 Speaker 2: not a physical guy. Carlo never was. The door off

11:37 Speaker 2: was pretty bad at it early on. I don't know

11:40 Speaker 2: if he improved, but he just when he came over,

11:43 Speaker 2: he wasn't great. I mean, McAvoy Lindholm aren't really penalty

11:48 Speaker 2: killed guys. I think McAvoy is a little bit more.

11:52 Speaker 2: But again, the guys that do with the penalty kill

11:55 Speaker 2: are slow, you know, so.

11:58 Speaker 7: It's just such assimness to it, you know, And I've heard, yeah,

12:02 Speaker 7: I've heard you know, experts talk about you know what,

12:06 Speaker 7: you know, how aggressive this power penalty kill unit is

12:10 Speaker 7: how aggressive the penalty kill unit is. So help us define,

12:15 Speaker 7: you know, and educate me and others on what your

12:19 Speaker 7: view of an aggressive power play is, because in my view,

12:24 Speaker 7: the Bruins seem to be once again, as with the

12:27 Speaker 7: power play, a bit stationary with their penalty kill as well.

12:34 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I don't know exactly like whose team would

12:37 Speaker 2: be a good example, but an aggressive penalty player. I

12:45 Speaker 2: think Marshand a couple of years ago would have been

12:49 Speaker 2: someone that would have been a slightly more aggressive penalty killer.

12:52 Speaker 2: So again, it's a lot of times on the power

12:55 Speaker 2: play you'll see guys standing with the puk like on

12:58 Speaker 2: the boards waiting for a plate to de develop. What

13:01 Speaker 2: you tend to do on those aggressive penalty kills is

13:04 Speaker 2: you have the guy who's closest to him, the forward,

13:07 Speaker 2: if it's up a little bit higher than the dots,

13:09 Speaker 2: he'll go at him, but in a way to either

13:14 Speaker 2: direct him towards the defender, and then the other forward

13:17 Speaker 2: will kind of cheat that way to intercept or make

13:20 Speaker 2: that defender play you know, quicker, or you'll see them

13:24 Speaker 2: go the opposite way and push them down where the

13:27 Speaker 2: other defender down low will push up. So everybody kind

13:30 Speaker 2: of works together because get hockey is also a sport

13:33 Speaker 2: of angles. Your job is to angle that player where

13:37 Speaker 2: you want them to go, and you do that by

13:40 Speaker 2: you know, it's kind of like you match your shoulder

13:42 Speaker 2: against theirs or opposite, and that's how you're able to

13:45 Speaker 2: tell where they are in relation to you. And if

13:48 Speaker 2: you want them to go one way, you skate the

13:50 Speaker 2: other way and you push them and you try to

13:52 Speaker 2: force them that way. And that's why I think Marshan

13:54 Speaker 2: and Bergeron were so good together, as they knew instinctively

13:57 Speaker 2: where each player was going to go and just reacting

14:00 Speaker 2: to it. So I think it's it's things like that,

14:04 Speaker 2: and maybe the Bruins just didn't have any chemistry that

14:07 Speaker 2: that very well could be. So like Carlo and Sidoroff

14:11 Speaker 2: didn't really play all that much together, so they didn't

14:13 Speaker 2: know who who was supposed to take who or the popkin.

14:17 Speaker 2: I mean, those those mooments happened in seconds and it's

14:20 Speaker 2: it's over and if you're just kind of standing there,

14:22 Speaker 2: you're screwed.

14:23 Speaker 3: And I you raise a good point about about chemistry,

14:28 Speaker 3: you know, because you know, you mentioned players that had,

14:31 Speaker 3: you know, played with each other for basically what seems

14:35 Speaker 3: like an eternity, right. You know, you developed that bing

14:39 Speaker 3: and bong and that you know ying and yang, and

14:42 Speaker 3: you can you know, anticipate where the other player is going.

14:47 Speaker 5: And so.

14:49 Speaker 3: You could see that there were miscommunications or assumptions that

14:57 Speaker 3: you know, well, you're going to get it. No, I

14:59 Speaker 3: thought you're you We're going to get it. And so,

15:02 Speaker 3: you know, I want to go back to the conversation

15:05 Speaker 3: that we had previously about philosophy with respect to the

15:11 Speaker 3: power play, and I would think that you would want

15:14 Speaker 3: to have a philosophy and a plan and a strategy.

15:20 Speaker 3: So once again, are we talking about personnel coaching or

15:27 Speaker 3: a combination of both.

15:30 Speaker 1: Yeah.

15:30 Speaker 2: I think for me when it comes to the penalty

15:33 Speaker 2: kill is you just kind of react to what the

15:35 Speaker 2: other tea's power play is doing. And so if I

15:39 Speaker 2: was going to, you know, coach a penalty kill, I

15:42 Speaker 2: would coach them in probably like all of the different philosophies.

15:47 Speaker 2: So you have, you know, the small box, you have

15:50 Speaker 2: the larger box. You have the diamond, which is like

15:52 Speaker 2: the one two one, or you can do a one

15:56 Speaker 2: three depending who you're playing, like against Florida's got three

16:00 Speaker 2: forwards almost below the goal line. You might want to

16:03 Speaker 2: do like a one to three and rotate and play

16:06 Speaker 2: that way. If the other team is everybody's outside in

16:10 Speaker 2: an umbrella, well then you can do a big box

16:12 Speaker 2: or a small box and and rotate. So I don't

16:16 Speaker 2: think you want to get stuck playing in one specific

16:20 Speaker 2: type of I guess structures because the other team can

16:24 Speaker 2: can rotate and exploit it and you're done. So I

16:28 Speaker 2: think a good coach would teach the players what the

16:32 Speaker 2: responsibilities are in those structures, but more importantly, when to play,

16:37 Speaker 2: what structure.

16:38 Speaker 1: Went, and so I can you talk a little bit

16:41 Speaker 1: more about about that specifically, what who who's out there?

16:46 Speaker 1: Is it two forwards to defense then? And then what

16:49 Speaker 1: are their responsibilities out there?

16:52 Speaker 5: Yeap?

16:52 Speaker 2: So typically two forwards, two defenseman. I'm trying to think.

16:57 Speaker 2: I would be very hard pressed to say there's ever

17:01 Speaker 2: a time you would do three forwards and one defenseman,

17:04 Speaker 2: but I would say I would say you could probably

17:08 Speaker 2: do some. I don't know if anybody you've got.

17:12 Speaker 3: You've got you know a forward who is you know,

17:16 Speaker 3: extremely defensively responsible, like I would consider for all of

17:20 Speaker 3: Zaka's other issues, I consider him to be a very

17:25 Speaker 3: defensively responsible.

17:27 Speaker 2: Forward correct, yep, yep. So typically you're going to do

17:32 Speaker 2: two forwards two d. Most teams will do the box.

17:37 Speaker 2: So the two forwards, their responsibility is going to be depending.

17:40 Speaker 2: They're going to be the guys based like above the

17:42 Speaker 2: dot on either side. So if you draw, you have

17:46 Speaker 2: the red line, you know, one way draw another line

17:49 Speaker 2: between the nets. So picture you've got four quadrants. Each

17:54 Speaker 2: player kind of mans both each one of those quadrants

17:58 Speaker 2: in the offensive zone depend where the other team and

18:03 Speaker 2: their players are. That depends. That will force you guys

18:06 Speaker 2: either to be you know, spread out wider or a

18:09 Speaker 2: little bit more condensed. So you've got the two forwards

18:12 Speaker 2: who are kind of above the dot and either to

18:15 Speaker 2: the left and right of that center line. You never

18:18 Speaker 2: want both players on the same side unless the other

18:21 Speaker 2: team has all the players on that side, because you're

18:25 Speaker 2: basically just let someone be wide open. And again you're

18:28 Speaker 2: the other team's trying to create two on one, so

18:30 Speaker 2: you've just you know, given them a two on zero.

18:33 Speaker 2: Then you've got your two defencemen below the dot. And

18:37 Speaker 2: then it depends which corner your puck is going to

18:40 Speaker 2: be in. So if the puck is in you know

18:42 Speaker 2: the side of the ice of the right defenseman they're

18:45 Speaker 2: going to go, and their job is to either contain

18:48 Speaker 2: with their body and their stick to not let the

18:50 Speaker 2: puck go to the middle of the ice. And then

18:52 Speaker 2: the other defenseman their job's the front of the net,

18:55 Speaker 2: doing their best to push the guys out of the way,

18:57 Speaker 2: ty to stick up, do whatever they can to force

19:00 Speaker 2: them to not screen the goalie, not get their stick

19:04 Speaker 2: either on the ice or in the air and get

19:06 Speaker 2: a tip. So what you kind of see is then

19:09 Speaker 2: once the puck rotates to the other side, the other

19:12 Speaker 2: defenseman will have to go over there and defend. So

19:14 Speaker 2: it's it's everybody kind of stays in their area, but

19:17 Speaker 2: they'll rotate depending where the puck's at, and then they'll

19:20 Speaker 2: either get wider or more narrow. If if there's a

19:23 Speaker 2: guy in the bumper, you might see the other defenseman

19:26 Speaker 2: cheat with you know, where the puck's on the other side,

19:29 Speaker 2: they might cheat. And and the biggest thing is again

19:33 Speaker 2: is your stick position. You know, so your body, your angles,

19:37 Speaker 2: but also your stick will force the other team to

19:41 Speaker 2: kind of pass it to where you want. So again

19:43 Speaker 2: that's why you're trying to keep them to the outside,

19:46 Speaker 2: not let them go you know, to the middle, or

19:49 Speaker 2: or like from the back of the net to the

19:51 Speaker 2: front of the net, because it's just that's that's how

19:53 Speaker 2: the other team scores.

19:55 Speaker 3: So once a better, oh, go ahead, go ahead from

19:59 Speaker 3: too many in Since is this season when we're watching

20:02 Speaker 3: the penalty kill seeming like guys are guys bruins running

20:09 Speaker 3: around or being turned around that they're caught out of position.

20:18 Speaker 3: So in your view, is that potentially a result of

20:22 Speaker 3: the effectiveness of the other team's power play unit. Is

20:27 Speaker 3: it a result of they, as we said, a lack

20:31 Speaker 3: of intuitiveness or chemistry with the personnel that are on

20:36 Speaker 3: the ice, or is a combination of both, where you know,

20:41 Speaker 3: somebody says, you know, Jesus, you know, I got to

20:45 Speaker 3: do a little bit more than what I'm supposed to

20:47 Speaker 3: be doing here to prevent this puck from getting in

20:50 Speaker 3: the net, or I don't know, it just seemed there

20:54 Speaker 3: was a lot of disjointedness for you know, for lack

20:58 Speaker 3: of a better word, this season.

21:00 Speaker 2: Yeah, and I'd have to go back and look, but

21:04 Speaker 2: I don't distinctly remember there being a lot of just

21:07 Speaker 2: communication on the ice, right, Like I can't hear guys

21:11 Speaker 2: yelling and saying, you know, I've got him, or watched

21:15 Speaker 2: the guy in front, or you know, however they want

21:17 Speaker 2: to communicate. But you know, we would like point and

21:21 Speaker 2: yell like there's you know, you got him, you know,

21:24 Speaker 2: And I think you kind of lose that with persee

21:27 Speaker 2: Ron And now if Marshan doesn't come back, you've kind

21:30 Speaker 2: of lost that veteran just style of play. And they're

21:34 Speaker 2: just able to do more things at the same time

21:37 Speaker 2: because the game just moves for them and maybe just

21:41 Speaker 2: our pedally kill players weren't that good and they just

21:45 Speaker 2: got beat. And you know, I mean you're going up

21:47 Speaker 2: against the other team's best players, you're going to get

21:49 Speaker 2: beat sometimes well badly.

21:52 Speaker 3: On winning face offs this season, and I think that's critical.

21:56 Speaker 3: It is when you're killing a penalty, know to be

22:01 Speaker 3: able to get that first touch on the puck, win

22:03 Speaker 3: that draw, and then execute whatever you are going to execute.

22:10 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, especially I mean in the playoffs, I think

22:14 Speaker 2: didn't when the Bruins always played Carolina, it would always

22:18 Speaker 2: go up against stall on the penalty kill against face offs,

22:21 Speaker 2: and you always win. Yeah, right, Like.

22:24 Speaker 3: Listen Patrice bergeron is Mike Saine but stall would destroy

22:30 Speaker 3: him in the face.

22:32 Speaker 1: Yeah, there were very few players who were better at

22:38 Speaker 1: the face off than Patrica.

22:40 Speaker 5: I think that was after Brendan Moore would bitch about

22:44 Speaker 5: cheating on the face off, right right, right, right right, cheating.

22:49 Speaker 5: So is there.

22:51 Speaker 1: When it comes to, you know, strategy for you know,

22:57 Speaker 1: the basically the ultimate goal of the penalty kill besides

23:00 Speaker 1: sides preventing the scoring of a goal, is is the

23:03 Speaker 1: strategy of you know, freezing the puck via the goalie

23:10 Speaker 1: or is it just a constant attempt at clearing what's

23:15 Speaker 1: the what's is there a better strategy that you know,

23:23 Speaker 1: coaches may choose to use, Like is it just hope

23:29 Speaker 1: for the best and try all the things that you

23:32 Speaker 1: have in your toolox, Like what are they stopping goals?

23:37 Speaker 1: What are they actually trying to accomplish out there?

23:40 Speaker 2: Actively? Yeah, I would say, you know, it's going to

23:42 Speaker 2: depend upon the situation. So goal number one is get

23:46 Speaker 2: the hell out of your own just you've got it,

23:49 Speaker 2: get it out. Yeah, Exactly. If the puck is against

23:55 Speaker 2: the boards, your job is to tie up that other

23:58 Speaker 2: man and basically just muck the puck and keep the

24:02 Speaker 2: puck against the boards and draw that clock and just

24:06 Speaker 2: bleed it. Then if the other team has all the

24:11 Speaker 2: pressure on the power play, your goalie's job is to

24:14 Speaker 2: freeze it, get different personnel out there, low the game down,

24:19 Speaker 2: especially if you're on the road, kind of get the

24:22 Speaker 2: crowd out of it, and then hopefully you can win

24:24 Speaker 2: the face off and get it down or I mean

24:27 Speaker 2: we've seen marsh And do this. You know, if if

24:29 Speaker 2: you've got the puck, just keep it and throw it

24:32 Speaker 2: back into your zone and and just you know, kill

24:34 Speaker 2: that time, kill that clock, because you know and and

24:37 Speaker 2: i mean obviously last is is you can do it.

24:40 Speaker 2: Get yourself a shorty. But you know you're that's not

24:44 Speaker 2: that shouldn't be the first thing on your mind because

24:46 Speaker 2: you're gonna get the puck, you're gonna blow the zone

24:48 Speaker 2: and the other team's gonna get it. Now it's five

24:50 Speaker 2: and your screws. So yeah, biggest thing is get in

24:54 Speaker 2: front of shots, don't let the don't let the shots

24:56 Speaker 2: get through. That's why mor Burt was so good. And

25:00 Speaker 2: then just get it the hell out of there, like

25:02 Speaker 2: that's that's all you're taught. You got it gone?

25:05 Speaker 6: Is it?

25:05 Speaker 1: So?

25:06 Speaker 5: How is how is it that Marsham was so successful

25:09 Speaker 5: at the sport handed goals.

25:11 Speaker 2: What was it about you power? Yeah, and he just

25:18 Speaker 2: had that mentality that he would just go to the

25:21 Speaker 2: net and he would make offense.

25:23 Speaker 3: But I also think he's good at anticipating what the

25:27 Speaker 3: other player or where the other player would be going

25:31 Speaker 3: with it and just snag right right. Well, let me

25:36 Speaker 3: ask you this, and I neglected to ask this during

25:39 Speaker 3: our segment on the power play units, but is it

25:45 Speaker 3: more critical, crucial, beneficial to have a goaltender who is

25:51 Speaker 3: confident and capable of handling the puck in their own

25:55 Speaker 3: end when it comes to the power play and door

26:00 Speaker 3: the penalty kill.

26:03 Speaker 1: By not picking Lina's.

26:08 Speaker 2: Alnas has always been one of those goalies that love

26:11 Speaker 2: to play in the puck.

26:12 Speaker 5: He's a handler.

26:14 Speaker 2: I know. That's why I always got him in my

26:16 Speaker 2: my NHL games.

26:17 Speaker 3: And I have to say, even though they got knocked out,

26:20 Speaker 3: and I can't stand this little puke, but Jordan Bennington

26:23 Speaker 3: is pretty damn good.

26:29 Speaker 5: I said, I can't stand the little give him flowers.

26:33 Speaker 2: Yeah, if I had to pick, I'd rather have my

26:36 Speaker 2: goalie moved the puck on our power play because the

26:39 Speaker 2: other team will dump it. Then then you're able to

26:41 Speaker 2: you know, skate out if you can outside the trapezoid

26:46 Speaker 2: and that transition game, you can pass it to the

26:48 Speaker 2: other blue line. Now that there's no two line pass

26:51 Speaker 2: you got it and you go. That will suck. But

26:57 Speaker 2: if yeah, it was if your go can you know,

27:00 Speaker 2: if the other team's dumping the puck in on the

27:02 Speaker 2: power play, then your goalie is able to run out,

27:04 Speaker 2: grab it, clear it, or set it up for the defenseman.

27:07 Speaker 2: So I mean, I I don't think on the penalty kill.

27:11 Speaker 2: You don't see it very often, and you probably don't

27:13 Speaker 2: want your goalie vacating the crease play the puck. I

27:16 Speaker 2: think they're kind of just plought to stay in the net.

27:20 Speaker 2: So definitely power play. I mean, yeah, but I Slayman's

27:25 Speaker 2: not horrible at plans.

27:27 Speaker 7: Okay, yeah, it's always not terrible.

27:30 Speaker 5: But right Lenus was special.

27:34 Speaker 6: He was very I mean, he was no Marty Burner,

27:37 Speaker 6: but you know, he was about as close as you

27:40 Speaker 6: probably could get these days the way that it goes.

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30:40 Speaker 1: Okay, so we're back, and we've talked about in general

30:45 Speaker 1: the overall issues with Boston's powerplay or penalty kill excuse me,

30:51 Speaker 1: from this past season and what we wish they could do.

30:55 Speaker 5: So let's talk about the.

30:57 Speaker 1: Personnel currently occupying the these positions.

31:03 Speaker 5: Can we start with that leaky goalie.

31:06 Speaker 1: Besides the leaky goalie, because I think, yes, obviously your

31:10 Speaker 1: number one penalty killer is the goaltender right at the end.

31:13 Speaker 5: Of the day, number one. I mean, he's supposed to

31:16 Speaker 5: be right, if not your boat best. Okay, and God

31:21 Speaker 5: willing that was.

31:22 Speaker 1: That of him. We're just gonna we're gonna be all

31:29 Speaker 1: summer praying to the hockey gods please, you know, bring

31:33 Speaker 1: us back to where we were. But uh so, thinking

31:36 Speaker 1: about what we want your penalty killers to be doing.

31:41 Speaker 5: Obviously the Bruins PK is not doing that. So is

31:47 Speaker 5: it are people in the wrong roles?

31:52 Speaker 1: Are they being asked to do things that you know,

31:55 Speaker 1: maybe don't necessarily align with their skill set?

31:58 Speaker 5: Do we just have the wrong people.

32:02 Speaker 1: And that's it?

32:03 Speaker 5: What?

32:04 Speaker 2: What?

32:04 Speaker 5: Who's who's not where they should be or not good

32:07 Speaker 5: enough where they've been playing?

32:08 Speaker 1: Yeah?

32:09 Speaker 2: So I mean with the power play, typically your your

32:12 Speaker 2: power play guys are your top six forwards on the

32:15 Speaker 2: penalty kill I would say it's probably more likely that

32:19 Speaker 2: that that your penalty kill guys. At your bottom six

32:22 Speaker 2: you might have, you know, a Martian that are on

32:24 Speaker 2: the penalty kill, but you know, typically for me, you're

32:27 Speaker 2: gonna see some work lining guys like Beacher was a

32:30 Speaker 2: penalty kill guy.

32:32 Speaker 3: Past Look had been out there too before he kept

32:37 Speaker 3: getting injured, I mean, not kept getting injured, but.

32:44 Speaker 2: Yeah, and you know, I see Soccermorre's like your middle

32:48 Speaker 2: six players, so but he's you know, he does a

32:51 Speaker 2: lot of penalty kill time. So I I see those

32:55 Speaker 2: guys kind of more more as the Pruin's penalty kill

32:58 Speaker 2: guys going forward. I know you brought lind Holme in

33:02 Speaker 2: to to also kind of be that guy as well.

33:04 Speaker 2: I don't know. I mean, it's it's gonna depend again

33:08 Speaker 2: who the Bruins resign and who they bring you in,

33:11 Speaker 2: but it's there's there's no one out there that makes

33:18 Speaker 2: that I think makes the other team scared, right, Like

33:21 Speaker 2: you don't have a bergeron or a Marchand again, Coyle

33:26 Speaker 2: a couple of years ago was always real solid, because

33:29 Speaker 2: you know, he seemed to have you know, lost a

33:31 Speaker 2: step recently, so he's a little bit quicker, you know,

33:33 Speaker 2: a little bit more aggressive, a little bit more confident.

33:36 Speaker 2: So there's there's no one on this team that would

33:39 Speaker 2: really scare me if I had to go up against

33:41 Speaker 2: them on the penalty kill. So I think that's one

33:44 Speaker 2: of the things they need to try to do in

33:46 Speaker 2: their middle and their you know, bottom six and in

33:49 Speaker 2: that third line is find a guy that's very steady defensively.

33:53 Speaker 2: And I don't know who that is or what that

33:55 Speaker 2: looks like, but I kind of hope they they look

33:58 Speaker 2: at a guy that's that's a good two way player,

34:01 Speaker 2: but you know, maybe gives up some offense, can play

34:03 Speaker 2: defense and penalty kill. And again you've got the defense, right,

34:09 Speaker 2: I mean Carlow is always relied upon to do a

34:12 Speaker 2: penalty kill, and he's not good in front of the net.

34:15 Speaker 1: Yeah, he's always leaving that back door wide open exactly.

34:20 Speaker 2: Yeah. And McAvoy was hurt for a while and he's

34:23 Speaker 2: a steady penalty killer. I mean, Loria's not gonna do it.

34:27 Speaker 2: It's a door off can but again, he's not quick,

34:29 Speaker 2: so he can't kind of fill that gap. I mean,

34:34 Speaker 2: Peek is okay, but again, same thing. So it's just

34:38 Speaker 2: as much as I want the Bruins to bring in

34:40 Speaker 2: an offensive defenseman to help the power play, I think

34:43 Speaker 2: I'd rather have more of a two way defenseman. You know,

34:46 Speaker 2: I don't think bringing back Yokiharu is the answer, but

34:49 Speaker 2: if they can find I don't even know who there

34:53 Speaker 2: was a Fabreau. I think they were rumored ye to

34:56 Speaker 2: be interested. I don't know if he's a penalty killer,

34:59 Speaker 2: but I I would like to see them go for

35:02 Speaker 2: you know, someone that can that can kind of man

35:05 Speaker 2: the penalty till as well, because right now it just

35:08 Speaker 2: feels like we've got McAvoy and maybe Zadora.

35:12 Speaker 3: Well, I think I think Campus Lindholm would be front

35:17 Speaker 3: and center in in that role when he's you know,

35:21 Speaker 3: when he's But do you think with you know, with

35:25 Speaker 3: with a full a full season upcoming, with not so

35:30 Speaker 3: much turmoil going on, h do you think that Zadorov

35:37 Speaker 3: could translate into being a reliable on defense because you know,

35:46 Speaker 3: he's he's he's big, he's got that reach, you know,

35:51 Speaker 3: with the stick, because you know it's Daniel Chara like

35:53 Speaker 3: reach with that with that stick. And I think with

35:57 Speaker 3: you know, with some some work and coaching and maybe

36:01 Speaker 3: some kind of stability went with the upcoming season that

36:09 Speaker 3: you know, my hope would be that he could he

36:13 Speaker 3: could be like a you know, a diamond in the

36:15 Speaker 3: rough ye in that role.

36:19 Speaker 1: And we wonder if that's what the scouts saw, you know,

36:26 Speaker 1: that particular potential because I think if I'm recalling correctly

36:29 Speaker 1: from our episode about defenceman, you know, when we're categorizing

36:34 Speaker 1: the three kinds of defenseman that you have your offensive defenseman,

36:38 Speaker 1: your two way player, and your defensive defenseman, we categorize

36:43 Speaker 1: the door Off as a defensive defenceman. Yes, I mean

36:47 Speaker 1: he's not he thinks he's a two way player. He's

36:50 Speaker 1: not actually a good one, right, so you know, and

36:55 Speaker 1: so thinking about that with him. I wonder, Maria, if

36:59 Speaker 1: you've got something really there, because again, we have learned

37:03 Speaker 1: so much from Professor.

37:04 Speaker 5: Mo Or that I feel like asking me smart questions.

37:10 Speaker 1: To very you know, I haven't even thought of. But

37:14 Speaker 1: it makes you know, like you watch you watch hockey,

37:17 Speaker 1: and you're like, I know it's happening, but like you

37:20 Speaker 1: don't always necessarily think about like, oh no, like that's

37:23 Speaker 1: what's happening. That you're defenseman. You want to you know,

37:27 Speaker 1: on that that spectrum of offensive to super defensive. You

37:30 Speaker 1: want to lean more on the super defensive right, So

37:35 Speaker 1: someone like Zadorov.

37:37 Speaker 5: I mean, it seems like all of our kind of

37:40 Speaker 5: critique of his IQ to be he's not his actual IQ.

37:45 Speaker 5: Let me clarify, and I would say that to his face,

37:48 Speaker 5: let me tell you.

37:52 Speaker 2: So.

37:53 Speaker 1: But you know, I think he actually could very well

37:55 Speaker 1: lend himself to being a good resource. And I don't

38:01 Speaker 1: really remember him being like a super key piece of

38:05 Speaker 1: it last season.

38:08 Speaker 2: It didn't feel like it. And I wasn't there reports

38:10 Speaker 2: early on in the year about talking about his coach

38:13 Speaker 2: ability and maybe the coaching staff wasn't getting through to him.

38:17 Speaker 2: So maybe a different voice in the room gets.

38:20 Speaker 1: To him and he now being a leader in the room,

38:25 Speaker 1: he actually he's one that I think uh really responded

38:30 Speaker 1: to that, you know, that sizable challenge. So maybe maybe

38:35 Speaker 1: that we're talking about a Jake Debrusque type scenario where

38:40 Speaker 1: it's okay, we think, you know, everybody thinks that you

38:45 Speaker 1: are lazy.

38:46 Speaker 5: Or you don't, you know, do everything that you're supposed

38:48 Speaker 5: to do.

38:49 Speaker 1: So we're going to hand you this larger responsibility and

38:52 Speaker 1: see what you do with it. So like in the

38:54 Speaker 1: locker room, and will that could that translate on the ice?

39:00 Speaker 2: Right?

39:02 Speaker 1: So beside the defensive defenceman, which we you know, seems

39:08 Speaker 1: like it's a question mark, what kind of forwards are

39:13 Speaker 1: we talking about? You know, you did mention some of

39:15 Speaker 1: the lower line guys because again, if we recall from

39:19 Speaker 1: our forwards episode, kind of the farther from the top down,

39:23 Speaker 1: you get more defensive as you move in that direction.

39:27 Speaker 5: But what if your first line center.

39:32 Speaker 8: Is an amazing two hundred foot player whose name is

39:38 Speaker 8: Matrise Kurzier On, what would you or maybe why wouldn't

39:47 Speaker 8: you have someone like that participate in your penalty kill?

39:53 Speaker 2: Yeah, So I mean if you have a guy like

39:56 Speaker 2: that I would say, hell, yes, that's who you want,

39:59 Speaker 2: because I'm again the idea is you want to win

40:01 Speaker 2: the face off. And I mean sometimes, at least for

40:05 Speaker 2: the Bruins, the top center is someone that is not

40:09 Speaker 2: primarily a sniper. He's someone that's gonna kind of play

40:12 Speaker 2: a two way game. I think that's why the Bruins

40:15 Speaker 2: like Patra why he kind of works a little bit. So,

40:21 Speaker 2: but when you get a little bit closer to the

40:23 Speaker 2: bottom six, you're you're able to kind of carry forwards

40:26 Speaker 2: that are more specialists. Right, you had like Theilon Lucis

40:30 Speaker 2: that was, you know, the big hitter. We tried to have,

40:33 Speaker 2: you know, Veal who's the fighter, so you can kind

40:36 Speaker 2: of put and I see Beacher as kind of being

40:38 Speaker 2: that face off specialist who you know, plays a good

40:42 Speaker 2: game in the bottom six b but his primarily responsibility

40:46 Speaker 2: is win the face off, right, So he is a

40:48 Speaker 2: key penalty kill guy, win the draw. And then I

40:53 Speaker 2: mean it's just there's there's a different mindset where it

40:58 Speaker 2: comes to being a penalty killer are where your job

41:01 Speaker 2: is not to score, it's not to let the other

41:03 Speaker 2: d score, right, So those those guys aren't necessary brothers.

41:09 Speaker 5: But at least your point.

41:11 Speaker 3: That's why sometimes it's those those you know, those lower

41:15 Speaker 3: six guys, because those are the guys five on five

41:19 Speaker 3: that you're relying on to just grind down the other team. Right,

41:25 Speaker 3: their job is to just grind them down, be a

41:29 Speaker 3: pain in their ass. Just don't don't get scored on.

41:34 Speaker 3: And if if you pop in a gold here or there, okay,

41:38 Speaker 3: that's gravy, yep.

41:41 Speaker 2: Because for me, I mean I never considered Bergeron as

41:45 Speaker 2: this elite offensive forward, right, I mean he has averaged

41:50 Speaker 2: about seventies, high sixties, low seventy points a season, right,

41:55 Speaker 2: so I mean his bread and butter was his two

41:58 Speaker 2: hundred complete game, and so yeah, it's And also, you

42:04 Speaker 2: don't want your top line guys out there because the

42:08 Speaker 2: primary responsibility is not to score, but not to get

42:10 Speaker 2: scored on. So if you have pass out there, his

42:13 Speaker 2: job isn't to score, but that is his job on

42:16 Speaker 2: the team, right, So those guys will get tired for

42:19 Speaker 2: no reason. So I don't really know if I want

42:22 Speaker 2: like e or pasta or even like a life sellout there,

42:26 Speaker 2: let them rask, let them sit, and then once that

42:28 Speaker 2: penalty kill is over go, So that's why I think

42:32 Speaker 2: you don't see you know, I mean, obviously your your

42:35 Speaker 2: top line forwards there, your best forwards anyway, so they

42:38 Speaker 2: should be able to do the penalty kill. But you know,

42:42 Speaker 2: you want to rely on the guys who aren't getting

42:44 Speaker 2: the five on five ice time. Kind of let the

42:48 Speaker 2: guys get the five on five or the penalty the

42:50 Speaker 2: power play more time in that game.

42:54 Speaker 3: You know, we haven't talked much about, you know, Morgan

42:56 Speaker 3: Geeky in that role as a penalty killer. I know,

43:02 Speaker 3: you know, we've we've you know, applauded his offensive success

43:07 Speaker 3: this year, and you know, he seems to work very

43:13 Speaker 3: diligently and very hard, shift after shift after shift.

43:17 Speaker 5: What might that be a role that he could potentially.

43:22 Speaker 3: Fill, you know, to add to his game. Hopefully when

43:27 Speaker 3: the Bruins saw him.

43:30 Speaker 2: It would be nice. Yeah, I don't know how much

43:34 Speaker 2: I guess ice time he has on the penalty kill,

43:38 Speaker 2: but I mean his growth of his offensive game for

43:42 Speaker 2: me was extremely impressive because in the middle of the

43:46 Speaker 2: year I just kind of wrote him off as you know,

43:48 Speaker 2: someone I didn't care if he was on the team

43:50 Speaker 2: or not. And he had the second year, the second

43:53 Speaker 2: half of the year, and it was impressive as hell,

43:56 Speaker 2: so I don't want to sacrifice his offensive growth to

44:01 Speaker 2: try to push him towards a penalty kill kind of

44:05 Speaker 2: avenue as well, just because I think the Bruins do

44:09 Speaker 2: have guys that, you know, can kind of fill that.

44:12 Speaker 2: The guys you have, Yeah, you've got Soka, there's feature,

44:16 Speaker 2: You've got Lauco. I'm sure middle stat can can fill in,

44:20 Speaker 2: depending who comes up. I'm sure Patruck can you know,

44:24 Speaker 2: play a little bit. I'd rather have those guys out

44:26 Speaker 2: there than than my Geeki and Pasta. Yeah, I don't

44:30 Speaker 2: know if I want.

44:34 Speaker 9: Never never ever ever no, no, But it also sounds

44:40 Speaker 9: like when you're thinking about your forwards, in particular on

44:45 Speaker 9: the penalty kill, it almost sounds like you might cherry

44:50 Speaker 9: pick a little bit from different areas in a way

44:54 Speaker 9: that you wouldn't necessarily like with your defenseman in either situation.

44:59 Speaker 1: You know, power player penalty kill. I think you know

45:01 Speaker 1: they're it's pretty cut and dry what you're doing. But

45:04 Speaker 1: you know, because like you know you're talking about, yes,

45:07 Speaker 1: you beat your very effective and castle like very effective,

45:11 Speaker 1: but then you also had Brad Marshand, who was a

45:16 Speaker 1: much more elite player might higher up the wrong, but

45:20 Speaker 1: you know he was special so he he gets you know,

45:23 Speaker 1: picked out or someone else. So it's kind of an

45:26 Speaker 1: interesting kind of idea, at least in my mind, that

45:29 Speaker 1: when it comes to the penalty kill, it's less about uh,

45:34 Speaker 1: you know, what line you play on and more about what.

45:39 Speaker 2: Your skill set is.

45:41 Speaker 1: Right, You're going to see more specialist type roles like

45:44 Speaker 1: you said, yes scenario.

45:47 Speaker 2: And you'll see you know, I I would think you

45:50 Speaker 2: you'd also see guys that have good chemistry together, especially

45:54 Speaker 2: the forwards, because I mean you need that almost kind

45:57 Speaker 2: of either you know, nonverbal communication or just that those instincts,

46:03 Speaker 2: because I mean, that's really all the penalty gill is

46:05 Speaker 2: is because you're just instead of reading and reacting to

46:08 Speaker 2: what the other team is doing, you're trying to play

46:11 Speaker 2: chess and force them to do what you want. And

46:14 Speaker 2: you can really only do that if you're all on

46:16 Speaker 2: the same page. And again, I don't think the Bruins

46:20 Speaker 2: really practiced a whole lot of that stuff in you know,

46:23 Speaker 2: training camp early in the year. I mean, they just

46:25 Speaker 2: kept playing all the kids and never any vets, so

46:28 Speaker 2: they couldn't really work on those situations. And then the

46:31 Speaker 2: season comes and then everything just casts spirals, and I

46:33 Speaker 2: don't think the coaches really knew what they were doing. Yeah,

46:37 Speaker 2: you know, depending on they.

46:39 Speaker 3: Weren't prepared because they had spent so much time, energy

46:43 Speaker 3: and focus on other components that really didn't even come

46:50 Speaker 3: to any fruition or serve any sadly serve any benefit

46:55 Speaker 3: right to the team.

46:57 Speaker 2: Yeah, because didn't you used to have like Marshane and

46:59 Speaker 2: Lynn Home out there on a penalty kill. But again,

47:02 Speaker 2: lind Holme was hurt to start the year, so again

47:04 Speaker 2: they don't have that chemistry. It's harder to get it

47:09 Speaker 2: in the season as opposed to you know, beforehand, and

47:14 Speaker 2: you know, all the training camp and all the film

47:16 Speaker 2: these guys have to study. I'm sure is you know,

47:18 Speaker 2: it's it's those little things there, and you know, once

47:21 Speaker 2: the season starts, I mean, you've got games almost every

47:23 Speaker 2: other day. You're not you're not really working too much

47:27 Speaker 2: on stuff hopefully. Yeah.

47:29 Speaker 3: So, in your opinion, right, based on the players that

47:32 Speaker 3: we know are coming back, that we currently have on

47:36 Speaker 3: the roster, do you believe or feel that we at

47:42 Speaker 3: least have core components to a good penalty kill unit.

47:49 Speaker 2: Again, I think so, I think so. I do believe

47:53 Speaker 2: lind Holme is going to improve. I think he's the

47:58 Speaker 2: forward Lynd tolm Elias. Yeah, depending if we keep Soka

48:06 Speaker 2: or if he gets traded or what happens with him,

48:08 Speaker 2: I think he's also a solid option. You've got Beacher,

48:13 Speaker 2: there's Castelic, there's Lauco who I think is going to

48:16 Speaker 2: be a solid He's got good speed and he's tenacious.

48:20 Speaker 2: He's plays the boards well and he doesn't over commit

48:25 Speaker 2: too much and if he does, he's got that speed

48:28 Speaker 2: to kind of come back.

48:29 Speaker 6: Yeah.

48:29 Speaker 1: So I think if he's the only one, I think

48:31 Speaker 1: I would I would have thought that kind of had

48:34 Speaker 1: some of that, you know, that aggression aggression piece on

48:40 Speaker 1: the p que.

48:42 Speaker 5: Like Brad Marsham. We've seen him kind of trying you know,

48:45 Speaker 5: we can.

48:45 Speaker 3: Call it aggressiveness or tenacity, right, just like that will

48:49 Speaker 3: learn this.

48:51 Speaker 5: He's not afraid yet to that puck.

48:53 Speaker 2: Right right, No, for sure, So I think the Bruins

48:58 Speaker 2: are probably better off with their core of players on

49:01 Speaker 2: the penalty killed of the power play. It's just I

49:06 Speaker 2: think the system of the power play is just so

49:09 Speaker 2: much in shambles. They don't know what to do, so

49:12 Speaker 2: it almost looks a little bit worse. But I think

49:15 Speaker 2: they're penalty killed, you know. I mean, time will tell

49:18 Speaker 2: it all depends who they get as their you know,

49:21 Speaker 2: their their six or seventh defenseman, if they bring back

49:24 Speaker 2: you know whoever they do. But I kind of hope

49:28 Speaker 2: the Bruins go more of like high end, a little

49:31 Speaker 2: bit more offensive talent, kill those holes as opposed to

49:35 Speaker 2: always kind of go in and just signing six or

49:38 Speaker 2: seven bottom six forwards where.

49:40 Speaker 3: It's eggs like jaggs like in jags for anybody who

49:45 Speaker 3: doesn't know, I use that terminology, just another guy and

49:49 Speaker 3: they serve a purpose on a hockey team in limited numbers.

49:55 Speaker 3: You cannot compile a big percentage of your roster with

50:01 Speaker 3: jags and think that you are going to have any

50:05 Speaker 3: sustained success.

50:07 Speaker 2: R right. I mean those guys are your thirteen fourteenth

50:10 Speaker 2: forwards and probably the guys you bring up from Providence.

50:14 Speaker 2: So if you have nine guys on your roster, not

50:18 Speaker 2: counting anybody from Providence, then your team is just average

50:24 Speaker 2: or below average. Yeah you know it's you've got two

50:27 Speaker 2: scorers and eleven twelve bottom six guys, right, helly, you

50:32 Speaker 2: do I know.

50:34 Speaker 1: None of them a specialist in anything, right, Jack.

50:37 Speaker 10: It's funny the fact that, yeah, the fact that the

50:39 Speaker 10: Bruins have been kind of using this model for a

50:44 Speaker 10: period of time and they've had success as a result

50:50 Speaker 10: of it.

50:51 Speaker 3: Right, it's now this season where it's like, because you

50:55 Speaker 3: don't have the likes of a David Crazy or a

51:00 Speaker 3: Patrise Spurgeron and there's.

51:02 Speaker 5: A Dane Chara and now no longer a Brad.

51:05 Speaker 3: Marsh and so you know, it's no I know, I know,

51:10 Speaker 3: I know, I know, but again, you know, we we can.

51:15 Speaker 3: I'm just gonna say this because I feel like I

51:18 Speaker 3: have to say it, but the fact that they never

51:22 Speaker 3: had a succession plan for either Patrese Bergeron or David

51:29 Speaker 3: Kracie is malfeasance on the part of Bruin's management.

51:36 Speaker 2: Yep.

51:37 Speaker 3: Yeah, we hear all the time about defencemen. You know,

51:42 Speaker 3: franchise defencemans don't grow on trees, don't. Well, guys like

51:46 Speaker 3: Krachi and Bergeron don't freaking grow on trees either, right.

51:51 Speaker 1: Yeah, So they did a better job of planning for

51:56 Speaker 1: the future with their defense than and yes, yes, right,

52:02 Speaker 1: because they went from Chara to Chucky.

52:04 Speaker 11: Really doing that with Lori and Carlo was good you know,

52:10 Speaker 11: Carlo was a good, solid defensive defenceman.

52:16 Speaker 3: He faltered this year, yes, but you know last season

52:20 Speaker 3: we were singing his praises. As you know, he was

52:24 Speaker 3: undeniably the Bruins' best defenceman last season was over and

52:30 Speaker 3: above Campus and Charlie McAvoy, who is your franchise defenseman.

52:35 Speaker 3: So anyways, I would like to think that if we

52:42 Speaker 3: are able to find the flaws in this roster and

52:48 Speaker 3: in each variable unit that you know a good team

52:54 Speaker 3: needs to have, I would like to think that scouts,

52:58 Speaker 3: management within the Bust and Bruins have the same sense

53:02 Speaker 3: of awareness at even a keener level than we've talked

53:07 Speaker 3: about in these these segments.

53:09 Speaker 2: Yep. I mean, but you guys talk about, you know,

53:12 Speaker 2: succession plan. I'm just looking at the draft picks of

53:17 Speaker 2: of what Boston's done, and they've primarily drafted centers like yeah,

53:23 Speaker 2: they they they've tried, they've just failed.

53:27 Speaker 1: Had.

53:28 Speaker 2: Yeah, you had Jackson, then you had who was drafted

53:33 Speaker 2: as the center, Artist Hall, who's gone. You had, uh,

53:39 Speaker 2: I mean Beecher who's kind of worked out, but he's

53:42 Speaker 2: no better than a third line center. I just know

53:46 Speaker 2: you had Trevor Kuntar who was you know who's not

53:50 Speaker 2: Riley Durant who seems like a decent, you know, bottom

53:53 Speaker 2: six guy but never will be a top six Brett

53:58 Speaker 2: Harrison who's probably still out there, Patra who you know

54:06 Speaker 2: went up and then went down, and then you go

54:09 Speaker 2: miss mismanaging them, right, Yeah. And then you got you know,

54:13 Speaker 2: Dan's Luck Melis, who still is a prospect. You got

54:19 Speaker 2: Dean Laturno, who I don't think he scored a goal

54:24 Speaker 2: in college, so we'll really he did not.

54:28 Speaker 5: He did not.

54:29 Speaker 2: There was some reasons though, like isn't he kind of

54:31 Speaker 2: underage for college, and like some other stuff went on,

54:34 Speaker 2: like people weren't too too worried about it, but again,

54:37 Speaker 2: it doesn't vode well for a guy who's you know,

54:40 Speaker 2: six seven, two fifteen playing college hockey. Kids score goals.

54:44 Speaker 2: So so yeah, so I mean, we'll see. I don't

54:50 Speaker 2: know if the Bruins are even going to be able

54:51 Speaker 2: to draft one of the top centers you know, this

54:55 Speaker 2: coming year. So they're like, yeah, so it'll interesting to see.

55:01 Speaker 3: And and honestly, we we had a general manager who

55:07 Speaker 3: openly said we are going to focus on the wing position.

55:13 Speaker 5: Yeah, because they the apparently.

55:18 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think if you look at it, you can

55:21 Speaker 2: kind of get away with who the who The Bruins

55:23 Speaker 2: have it center. I mean you've got you got Lynn

55:27 Speaker 2: to Holm, you got middle stat you got Beacher, You've

55:31 Speaker 2: you've got Ikey who can play center too. So they

55:34 Speaker 2: have a good amount of centers where if you can

55:38 Speaker 2: get you know, a couple of dynamo wings, then as

55:42 Speaker 2: long as your wings score and your center's job is

55:45 Speaker 2: to play the two hundred foot game, I could live

55:49 Speaker 2: with it. You know, I may not like it, but

55:51 Speaker 2: I could live with it, depending if they fill the

55:53 Speaker 2: other you know, we don't bring back like all of

55:57 Speaker 2: the Marakko's, Nadinov and know, those guys to play top six, right, Like,

56:02 Speaker 2: we just can't do it anymore.

56:04 Speaker 3: He better go out and find if he's going to

56:07 Speaker 3: focus on wingers, Hed better go out and find wingers

56:13 Speaker 3: that are guaranteed to provide you with a number of

56:19 Speaker 3: points and goals throughout the course of the season, because

56:23 Speaker 3: you are not going to be able to start next

56:26 Speaker 3: season once again without solving the problem, the age old problem,

56:32 Speaker 3: the chronic Age old problem of lack of secondary scoring,

56:37 Speaker 3: right right, Yeah, It's.

56:40 Speaker 2: Just I don't know how many free agent wingers will

56:44 Speaker 2: be out there. That really knocks my socks off. I

56:47 Speaker 2: mean outside of you know, Marner and Tavares and Nikolai Eilers.

56:53 Speaker 2: I don't know if like Dodado is the answer, you

56:56 Speaker 2: know that just be a good player on a bad

56:59 Speaker 2: team that will their teams take lightly, you know. So

57:02 Speaker 2: I don't wanna you know, it's this might not be

57:06 Speaker 2: the year to you know, really have our expectations unless

57:10 Speaker 2: we can get like a brock Boser or Marshandon Bennett

57:13 Speaker 2: back or you know, it's gonna be interesting, or they

57:17 Speaker 2: trade Corpuslo and Zaka for a winger or someone that

57:21 Speaker 2: can help right away.

57:22 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it's gonna happen in in a in

57:25 Speaker 3: a real hockey a real hockey trade.

57:29 Speaker 2: But yeah, but I mean, if you can, you know,

57:33 Speaker 2: give up Corpuslo and you got d Pietro as your backup,

57:37 Speaker 2: maybe it's okay. You know, it's we'll just have to

57:40 Speaker 2: see some you know. For me, this is kind of

57:42 Speaker 2: where Don does a better job is. But I hope

57:46 Speaker 2: they get a little bit more aggressive because they've just

57:49 Speaker 2: been too damn conservatives the last two years. Yep, they've

57:53 Speaker 2: just just haven't gone for it. Damn it. Get Marner.

57:56 Speaker 2: That would be that would be fun.

57:58 Speaker 1: That would be fun, would be well, anyways, going off, Okay,

58:05 Speaker 1: it's all good penalty kills.

58:08 Speaker 2: So but yeah, no, I think I think they're in

58:10 Speaker 2: a good spot. I think the penalty kill will be

58:12 Speaker 2: better next year. Again, coaches philosophy, coaches kind of just

58:17 Speaker 2: their message is going to be important. So we'll see

58:22 Speaker 2: what see what happens.

58:24 Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, well this has been awesome.

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