Bruins Development Camp Gives Us Hope | Ep. 98

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0:52 Speaker 3: Welcome in, everybody to another episode of Bruins Tape to Tape.

0:57 Speaker 3: I am your host this evening, Caroline, and I'm joined

1:00 Speaker 3: by my fantastic co host, the newly retired and very

1:05 Speaker 3: pan Maria of Watertown. Hey Maria, Hey ladies, how is

1:11 Speaker 3: everyone tonight? I'm doing really good. I'm doing good. It's

1:17 Speaker 3: it's early July, so we have what August September.

1:22 Speaker 2: We are.

1:22 Speaker 3: We are still very far away, it seems from the

1:25 Speaker 3: start up ways than one. We are far away. We

1:29 Speaker 3: are so far away from the start of the season.

1:32 Speaker 3: But it being July. We have brought in our favorite

1:39 Speaker 3: development young player expert for the pod of Mary Beth.

1:46 Speaker 3: She is joining us today to talk about her week

1:49 Speaker 3: at development camp, which was apparently a fantastic time and

1:55 Speaker 3: we are all going to have to just go away

1:57 Speaker 3: have a gigantic contingent next seas. But welcome and Mary

2:01 Speaker 3: Beth excited.

2:02 Speaker 1: To have you.

2:03 Speaker 3: Thanks so much.

2:03 Speaker 1: I'm really happy to be here. As you know, this

2:05 Speaker 1: is one of my favorite times of the year.

2:07 Speaker 3: I know, I know, well you know, Maria and I.

2:11 Speaker 4: We get deep in the weeds with the team as

2:14 Speaker 4: it exists in Boston in the day to day, especially

2:18 Speaker 4: all the regulars, and I know for myself, I'll speak

2:21 Speaker 4: for myself that I.

2:24 Speaker 3: Do not pay nearly enough attention to these young up

2:28 Speaker 3: and comers, not just because you know, there's always so

2:32 Speaker 3: much going on in Boston, but a lot of the

2:37 Speaker 3: young people in the last couple of seasons really not

2:41 Speaker 3: that they haven't been good, but you know, we haven't

2:44 Speaker 3: had so many draft picks, and we haven't had so

2:47 Speaker 3: many high draft picks. And I feel like there was

2:49 Speaker 3: a lot of buzz this season or this summer around

2:53 Speaker 3: development camp because we're seeing for the second time Dean Materno,

2:58 Speaker 3: who was our kind of quote unch big draft pick

3:01 Speaker 3: from last year, who spent his first year away at college.

3:04 Speaker 3: We had the seventh overall pick this year. He got

3:08 Speaker 3: his butt to Boston from La immediately, you know, and

3:13 Speaker 3: I heard really fantastic things. So I'm actually super excited

3:17 Speaker 3: to hear about these young guys because we've clearly had

3:22 Speaker 3: a lack of young talent waiting in the wings. And

3:26 Speaker 3: you got a front row seat. I sure did, m boy.

3:30 Speaker 1: It was a fun week, so I can't wait to

3:32 Speaker 1: share everything about it, some of the guys that really

3:35 Speaker 1: impressed me, some of the fun things we saw. And

3:38 Speaker 1: next year, everybody put it on your calendar. We'll have

3:40 Speaker 1: a big party there for the week. One hundred percent all.

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5:06 Speaker 5: of all years, with what the Bruins are doing right now,

5:11 Speaker 5: which is basically a rebuild, it's even more important that

5:16 Speaker 5: we do pay attention because I will be totally honest disclosure,

5:22 Speaker 5: I have paid absolutely no attention to these development camps

5:28 Speaker 5: in the past, and now is the time that we

5:31 Speaker 5: do need to focus more on that because you know,

5:35 Speaker 5: clearly the Bruins are moving in an alternative direction. I'm

5:41 Speaker 5: not quite sure that they have made a determination yet

5:45 Speaker 5: what that direction is, but that's a story for a

5:48 Speaker 5: different podcast, but at some point in time it is

5:53 Speaker 5: necessary to focus on your young players because they are

6:00 Speaker 5: going to be a part of the future of the team.

6:03 Speaker 5: So you know, we need to know what that is

6:06 Speaker 5: going to potentially look like and who is going to

6:09 Speaker 5: be at the forefront.

6:12 Speaker 3: That new new player development. Yeah, exactly. I think hopefully

6:18 Speaker 3: at the end of our conversation today, maybe we will

6:21 Speaker 3: get a sense of how long is it going to

6:25 Speaker 3: potentially take to see some of this. You know, draft

6:31 Speaker 3: effort actually come to fruition because you know, with the

6:36 Speaker 3: exception of maybe the first and second overall pick, and

6:40 Speaker 3: obviously depending on the team, most NHL teams don't actually

6:46 Speaker 3: get to use their first round pick right away. It's

6:50 Speaker 3: it's not a super common thing. So yeah, why don't

6:55 Speaker 3: we start out first, Marybeth, give us the rundown? What

6:59 Speaker 3: is development camp? Who's invited? Why is this a thing?

7:04 Speaker 3: You know every team needs to have this event literally

7:10 Speaker 3: forty eight hours after the draft. All I know is

7:17 Speaker 3: it can be not all the draft picks, but certainly

7:21 Speaker 3: some of the team's top draft picks get invited immediately.

7:25 Speaker 3: There are other random guys I don't know who some

7:27 Speaker 3: of them are.

7:28 Speaker 2: What is it?

7:29 Speaker 3: How do you get invited? Who's there? Why are they there?

7:32 Speaker 3: Give us the rundown. Sure.

7:34 Speaker 1: So, Development camp is essentially a summer program held by

7:38 Speaker 1: all of the NHL teams. It's they're newly drafted and

7:42 Speaker 1: they're signed prospects, but they also have some space and

7:46 Speaker 1: they invite some other players. So there's some that are

7:49 Speaker 1: there just by invitation, and it's usually somebody that the

7:53 Speaker 1: team wants to have an eye on. Most of the

7:57 Speaker 1: guys that we had invited a connection from a from

8:02 Speaker 1: a college or something, so you could see, oh, okay,

8:04 Speaker 1: they were at school with such and such. That's probably

8:07 Speaker 1: how they how they got noticed by our scouting staff.

8:11 Speaker 1: So at development camp, the team gets to know the players,

8:16 Speaker 1: but the players also get to know the team, the culture,

8:19 Speaker 1: the training methods, and the coaching staff. The focus is

8:22 Speaker 1: on their skills, nutrition, training, sports, psychology, and essentially the

8:30 Speaker 1: staff helps them to map out what their development plan is.

8:35 Speaker 3: So it's basically hockey school but on steroids. Yeah, not really,

8:40 Speaker 3: because that would be illegal. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah.

8:43 Speaker 3: So can somebody be at let's say, you know, Bruins

8:48 Speaker 3: Camp dev camp this year and next year at another

8:52 Speaker 3: team's camp, or does it tend to be players who

8:56 Speaker 3: are like really like the Bruins have client called DIBs

9:02 Speaker 3: on them if they haven't already formally drafted them or whatever.

9:07 Speaker 1: So it's the people who are invited. They're usually draft

9:10 Speaker 1: picks and signed prospects. So in that case, you know,

9:14 Speaker 1: when we look at James Hagen's right, well, we drafted him,

9:18 Speaker 1: he's not going to show up at the Avalanche next

9:21 Speaker 1: year because we've signed him. But we have a couple

9:23 Speaker 1: of other invites who if we are not inviting them,

9:26 Speaker 1: they could be invited by another team for sure, because

9:30 Speaker 1: it's it's the draft picks the prospects, but it's also

9:32 Speaker 1: undrafted free agents, so they can kind of do what

9:36 Speaker 1: they want.

9:36 Speaker 2: Now.

9:37 Speaker 1: I don't know exactly how the invitation process works behind

9:41 Speaker 1: the scenes, sure, but I am guessing that these are

9:44 Speaker 1: people who have been in conversation with the Bruins, the

9:47 Speaker 1: scouts or somebody from the staff. They've been having a

9:50 Speaker 1: little bit of back and forth and that's how they're Okay,

9:53 Speaker 1: why don't you come to camp and she's what you have.

9:57 Speaker 1: Now it could be after a camp is like we

10:01 Speaker 1: don't feel like you're a fit or the prospect themselves

10:04 Speaker 1: could be like, you know what, I've gotten to know you,

10:07 Speaker 1: and you're not feeling like a great fit for me.

10:09 Speaker 1: So I think that that they could show up at

10:11 Speaker 1: somebody else's camp. More often they're showing up at our

10:15 Speaker 1: camp for a year or two.

10:16 Speaker 3: A couple of years.

10:18 Speaker 1: They can start coming to camp, usually around age eighteen,

10:21 Speaker 1: and then it's usually twenty to twenty one year olds,

10:24 Speaker 1: although there are certainly a few guys who are older,

10:27 Speaker 1: but not by much because there's still they might still

10:30 Speaker 1: be playing college, they might still be you know, they

10:33 Speaker 1: haven't entered the AHL, they haven't signed their entry levels sometimes,

10:38 Speaker 1: so some of these players, we're still seeing it development camp.

10:43 Speaker 1: One of the things that's interesting is it is a

10:46 Speaker 1: development camp. When we're seeing these players, they're learning stuff,

10:51 Speaker 1: they're being coached. One of the things you're watching is, hey,

10:54 Speaker 1: I saw this player do this. I saw a coach

10:57 Speaker 1: talk to them. Am I seeing it? So that's part

11:00 Speaker 1: of what you're looking for over the week from these guys.

11:03 Speaker 1: Am I seeing a difference from day one? You want to, Yeah,

11:08 Speaker 1: seeing the exact same mistakes for four days, but right

11:12 Speaker 1: knowing some of the stuff we're watching some of the

11:14 Speaker 1: drills they're doing, some of the scrimmages, they might be

11:17 Speaker 1: working on something specific, yeah said, Hey, I really want

11:21 Speaker 1: you to to be more on your outside edge, or

11:24 Speaker 1: I really want to be leaning in this way, or

11:26 Speaker 1: I really want you to head forward this way. So

11:28 Speaker 1: they might be working on a specific skill. That means

11:32 Speaker 1: you're not actually seeing them playing right and as they

11:36 Speaker 1: would say in a game. So that's one of the

11:38 Speaker 1: things to mind that this is hockey school, so they're

11:42 Speaker 1: being schooled.

11:43 Speaker 3: That's really fascinating because it's all kind of coming together

11:48 Speaker 3: to me for me now in my head about what

11:51 Speaker 3: this really is. It's so my daughter is at goalie

11:58 Speaker 3: camp this week, and you know, and she's been to

12:01 Speaker 3: hockey camp before, and and it's quite literally it's camp, right,

12:05 Speaker 3: just like what you would imagine, like you go to

12:07 Speaker 3: camp in the summertime, right. Uh. And for whatever reason,

12:12 Speaker 3: I've always considered, uh, the use of the word camp

12:16 Speaker 3: in the NHL to mean it's not really camp, it's

12:19 Speaker 3: just warming up, right, it's warm ups really, right. But

12:23 Speaker 3: watching some of the videos that you, uh and pictures

12:27 Speaker 3: that you sent me that we've been sharing on our

12:29 Speaker 3: social media, tape to tape mkay, check out out. Uh.

12:33 Speaker 3: And you know, I'm starting to recognize some even some

12:41 Speaker 3: of the things that you know, the coaching staff is

12:44 Speaker 3: having the players do as literally the things that I

12:49 Speaker 3: have watched my kid do, if not all last year

12:53 Speaker 3: in her second year of might, but also this summer.

12:57 Speaker 3: You know, the skating drills, even the way that they

13:00 Speaker 3: scrimmage where it's half ice like they're playing cross ice,

13:03 Speaker 3: which if anybody's listening has a kid in mites or younger,

13:08 Speaker 3: I mean that's cross ice. That's exactly how you do scrimmaging.

13:12 Speaker 3: And so it's really fascinating to me now to kind

13:15 Speaker 3: of look at this and think, Wow, it's not just

13:19 Speaker 3: warm up slash tryouts basically, right, because I think that's

13:22 Speaker 3: also what I was thinking, was like, oh, this is

13:24 Speaker 3: a tryouts kind of thing. No, it's quite literally, let's

13:27 Speaker 3: see where you're at, where you're at, let's teach you

13:29 Speaker 3: some things. And then obviously the stakes are a little

13:32 Speaker 3: bit higher in that they're also kind of evaluating you

13:35 Speaker 3: to say, can you learn, like where's your skill set

13:39 Speaker 3: on Monday? Can we give you advice? Can we teach

13:42 Speaker 3: you some strategies? Can we say, like you know, give

13:45 Speaker 3: this a try. Are you trying to pick it up?

13:48 Speaker 3: Are you trying putting that effort in? Are you able

13:51 Speaker 3: to pick it up? And then I would imagine those

13:56 Speaker 3: players go off, you know, the NCAA, they go to

13:59 Speaker 3: my juniors and they watch them and see like, are

14:04 Speaker 3: you applying the things that we've suggested and kind of

14:09 Speaker 3: going from there. So that's really fascinating to think of

14:11 Speaker 3: it as like actual like like you said, hockey school,

14:16 Speaker 3: actual summer camp where you learn hockey skill, like a

14:20 Speaker 3: hockey skill summer camp literally.

14:22 Speaker 1: Right, So they're learning their this is they're developing. Yeah,

14:26 Speaker 1: So one of the things I think that's helpful for

14:28 Speaker 1: people to know is how do they get here? What

14:32 Speaker 1: gets them up to camp? What gets them to the

14:34 Speaker 1: point of being ready to be invited to a development camp?

14:37 Speaker 1: And there's a couple of different paths they can take.

14:40 Speaker 1: In Canada, you start out with minor hockey so that

14:43 Speaker 1: you know, the mites, et cetera, whatever they're calling it,

14:45 Speaker 1: but it's starting with you seven programs. Then they move

14:49 Speaker 1: on to junior hockey, and there's actually a couple of

14:52 Speaker 1: different ways you can do that. So there's the CHL

14:55 Speaker 1: the Canadian Hockey League, and that has what people here

14:58 Speaker 1: of as the Major Juniors. Okay, so you're hearing the

15:01 Speaker 1: Major Juniors. It is the Western Hockey League, the w

15:05 Speaker 1: HL which is basically Western Canada, the OHL which is

15:09 Speaker 1: the Ontario Hockey League, and that's Middle Canada.

15:13 Speaker 3: And the US UH.

15:14 Speaker 1: Then there is the q m j h L that

15:18 Speaker 1: is the Big Your Hockey League, which is the Atlantic

15:23 Speaker 1: Canada region, and the Eastern US basically Eastern Canada in

15:26 Speaker 1: the US.

15:27 Speaker 3: So that is the CHL.

15:29 Speaker 1: Now that is actually semi professional, so they draft into

15:34 Speaker 1: that up until August first of this year. If you're

15:39 Speaker 1: in the CHL in any of those leagues, you are

15:42 Speaker 1: not NC double A eligible because of the stipend that

15:47 Speaker 1: changes August first this year.

15:49 Speaker 3: That's going to change the landscape a great deal that

15:52 Speaker 3: I do know about because I am a big NC

15:56 Speaker 3: double A hockey fan, so I that's been a huge thing.

16:01 Speaker 3: Expect the potential for a lot of movement this year,

16:06 Speaker 3: especially after the first semester for colleges or the first

16:10 Speaker 3: trimester if they're on that kind of system, and there

16:14 Speaker 3: could be players who come in and come out this year.

16:17 Speaker 1: It's going to be a very interesting. It's going to

16:19 Speaker 1: be big transition. So that's really and this is basically

16:24 Speaker 1: kids who are eligible for that are sixteen to their

16:27 Speaker 1: nineteen year old season, so that's again were not eligible

16:33 Speaker 1: for the NC Double A. Now you are NC Double

16:35 Speaker 1: A obviously another path for the Canadians. But there also

16:40 Speaker 1: are some other junior leagues, Junior A and Junior B.

16:43 Speaker 1: Those are non professional, so they're part of the Canadian

16:47 Speaker 1: Junior Hockey League. And that was like Cale McCart did

16:51 Speaker 1: that because he wanted to protect his NC Double A eligibility.

16:55 Speaker 1: So again I'm going to be interested to see after

16:58 Speaker 1: August first how all this plays out, because that just

17:02 Speaker 1: wasn't There was a couple of different paths. You either

17:05 Speaker 1: chose this professional path where you were getting a stipend

17:08 Speaker 1: and couldn't do a lot of other things, or you

17:10 Speaker 1: chose the development path, which again they're both development, but

17:13 Speaker 1: one was unpaid. Now in the US, there's minor hockey,

17:18 Speaker 1: just like in Canada, you know, starting with sevens. Then

17:22 Speaker 1: depending on where you are in the US, you might

17:25 Speaker 1: take the route for high school or you might do

17:27 Speaker 1: triple A because we do have Massachusetts, Minnesota, Wisconsin, a

17:33 Speaker 1: lot of great high school programs that can develop players,

17:37 Speaker 1: so that might be a place that you're doing it.

17:39 Speaker 3: There's also then the.

17:41 Speaker 1: NTDP that's the National Team Development Program, so that's where

17:45 Speaker 1: Austin Matthews came up, and their focus is on international competition.

17:51 Speaker 1: So that's when you're seeing these kids like you know

17:54 Speaker 1: when in World Juniors, Well they're coming from other teams,

17:57 Speaker 1: but it's that development team that's going out. They're playing

18:00 Speaker 1: a lot of those games. Then there is the UA USHL,

18:05 Speaker 1: so this is more similar to what you're seeing for

18:08 Speaker 1: the junior the major juniors. They maintain their amateur status.

18:13 Speaker 1: Their focus is to prep kids for the NCAA and

18:16 Speaker 1: the NHL, and that's ages sixteen to twenty that you're

18:19 Speaker 1: playing USHL.

18:21 Speaker 3: Yeah, so this is so really these.

18:23 Speaker 1: Are all the places that everyone's developing up through and

18:28 Speaker 1: then we meet them this past week in development camp.

18:31 Speaker 3: Fascinating. I love this. I appreciate this because I think

18:36 Speaker 3: probably like a lot of our listeners, and you know, Maria,

18:40 Speaker 3: you probably we've all heard of these different levels and leagues.

18:44 Speaker 3: I mean, Maria, you also had a kid go through

18:48 Speaker 3: youth hockey, you know in the United States, that takes

18:51 Speaker 3: you to about high school and a friend of mine

18:54 Speaker 3: her son just finished up his freshman year of high school,

18:57 Speaker 3: and it was, well, they were at kind of that

19:00 Speaker 3: point where it's, Okay, do we try and make a

19:04 Speaker 3: tournament bound Tier one team that's in this area, which

19:08 Speaker 3: kind of then can put you on that one of

19:10 Speaker 3: those developmental paths, or do you just play for your

19:14 Speaker 3: local high school team and that's probably gonna take you

19:17 Speaker 3: to more of a recreational future, you know. And it's

19:20 Speaker 3: just as I was kind of telling you, ladies before

19:24 Speaker 3: we started the podcast, I was listening to a completely

19:28 Speaker 3: unrelated non hockey podcast. I swear I'd listen to some

19:32 Speaker 3: of them. I have other interests, I swear. And they

19:36 Speaker 3: were actually just talking randomly all of a sudden about basketball,

19:40 Speaker 3: and they were talking about how the different levels and

19:44 Speaker 3: the skills of different levels in basketball it's like peeling

19:48 Speaker 3: an onion. And as I'm sitting there and I'm listening

19:50 Speaker 3: to this, I'm like, that's the same thing in hockey,

19:53 Speaker 3: because first of all, you have to start out super young,

19:57 Speaker 3: and you have to know to start super young, right.

20:00 Speaker 3: I got my kid in when she was three or four.

20:03 Speaker 3: I mean, Maria, how old was you was your son

20:05 Speaker 3: when he started, you know, learn to play and MINII

20:09 Speaker 3: three years old, three years old on skates, so you

20:12 Speaker 3: know what I mean. And then you everybody kind of

20:15 Speaker 3: in the US at least, they go into youth hockey.

20:18 Speaker 3: But as soon as you hit squirts, you ten ten,

20:22 Speaker 3: you you start to see them kind of shuffle out

20:26 Speaker 3: into all these different levels, and like it's happened so

20:29 Speaker 3: fast and so quickly, and then you've got all of

20:33 Speaker 3: these different layers. It's sometimes it's kind of madness. Parents.

20:38 Speaker 5: No, no, but as parents, those layers can be a

20:41 Speaker 5: little frightening because you know, you sometimes don't always know

20:46 Speaker 5: the legitimacy true those layers.

20:50 Speaker 2: And is it.

20:55 Speaker 3: Is it the right path? Right? Is it the right

20:58 Speaker 3: path to take? Right?

21:00 Speaker 5: Because you know, anyone can approach you and say, you

21:03 Speaker 5: know in some instances, you know, and I've encountered this

21:08 Speaker 5: in the past, where related to my son, you know,

21:11 Speaker 5: are you just approaching because you need a body to

21:14 Speaker 5: fill this team?

21:15 Speaker 3: Because if that's the case, you can go speak to

21:18 Speaker 3: someone else, right, Yeah, So.

21:23 Speaker 5: I think the more information now and again there's a

21:26 Speaker 5: lot more transparency now then there was back then because

21:32 Speaker 5: my son is now in his you know, mid mid thirties,

21:35 Speaker 5: and so there wasn't all of this stuff on social

21:38 Speaker 5: media where you could really get a sense for you know,

21:42 Speaker 5: is this person in this organization legit? Because if it

21:47 Speaker 5: sounds too good to be true, it likely is too good.

21:51 Speaker 3: To be true. Literally, my friend who works for an

21:54 Speaker 3: NHL team not too long ago, said to me, what

21:57 Speaker 3: is the US hut? Like the she didn't even she

22:01 Speaker 3: didn't even know what that was. I was like, no,

22:02 Speaker 3: it's a thing. It's a thing. It's a thing, you know.

22:06 Speaker 3: And so even even like again, NC Double A hockey

22:10 Speaker 3: is d one hockey is another area that I am

22:13 Speaker 3: extremely familiar with. And even in that, you look at

22:17 Speaker 3: the different the different leagues within the NC Double A

22:22 Speaker 3: and the skill and the talent. I mean, I think

22:27 Speaker 3: it still stands that the Hockey East is the gold standard,

22:34 Speaker 3: continues to be the gold standard for NC Double A BLA.

22:37 Speaker 3: But you know, in within the last ten years, NC

22:41 Speaker 3: Double A hockey has expanded tremendously, and you see PAC

22:45 Speaker 3: ten developing and create and more teams coming up through there.

22:49 Speaker 3: You've got the whole Upper Midwest. They're in their own

22:53 Speaker 3: separate league. I grew up watching ECAC hockey, which has

22:58 Speaker 3: always sadly been a little bit less competitive. However, they

23:03 Speaker 3: have one national championships. You know, but at the end

23:08 Speaker 3: of the day, if you've got a kid, uh, if

23:11 Speaker 3: you have a son who gets into a hockey program

23:15 Speaker 3: at BU, at Providence, at BC, like, they're effectively a

23:20 Speaker 3: whole completely different level above someone who goes to Quinnipiac

23:25 Speaker 3: or you know, I don't even know someplace out west,

23:29 Speaker 3: right like Denver. I mean even Denver, and Denver is

23:32 Speaker 3: a good school.

23:33 Speaker 1: For win national championships, but it's a different it's different hockey.

23:37 Speaker 3: Right, It's it's just different hockey. So it's just fascinating

23:41 Speaker 3: to understand all the multiple layers of that. But so

23:44 Speaker 3: so Mary, Mary.

23:45 Speaker 5: But these these player development camps are happening across the league,

23:50 Speaker 5: and are they happening simultaneously to each other.

23:54 Speaker 3: More or less. But but there's not a requirement that

23:57 Speaker 3: they are. I think that.

24:01 Speaker 1: This is my personal theory that nobody has actually confirmed this.

24:04 Speaker 1: I think that most of the teams have it right

24:07 Speaker 1: after the draft so everybody can then take time off. Yeah,

24:12 Speaker 1: it's summer, you know, the big you know, you listen

24:14 Speaker 1: if you listen to NHL, like on serious XM. They're

24:17 Speaker 1: all like, Okay, this is our season finale. We're finished

24:20 Speaker 1: for the year.

24:20 Speaker 3: We're off to the cottage.

24:22 Speaker 1: We'll check in from the cottage. Everybody's off for the

24:25 Speaker 1: next month.

24:25 Speaker 3: Step no. And I listened to Elliott Friedgen and.

24:29 Speaker 5: We all know he's on vacation, right, Yeah, he has

24:32 Speaker 5: said it on more than one more than one occasion during.

24:36 Speaker 3: His last podcast, and it's I mean, it's but it

24:40 Speaker 3: seems like that. You know, there's a lot that the

24:42 Speaker 3: league is jamming in.

24:45 Speaker 5: In and this is probably you know, a likely different conversation,

24:50 Speaker 5: but you know, the league is jamming all of these

24:53 Speaker 5: key events in very close to each other. You know,

24:57 Speaker 5: we have the Draft, we have Development Camp, and then

25:00 Speaker 5: it coincides with free agency, where some have said that

25:05 Speaker 5: the NHL should maybe take a page out of the

25:09 Speaker 5: NFL playbook, where the NFL is always giving you a

25:13 Speaker 5: reason to talk about them no matter what time of

25:17 Speaker 5: the year it is.

25:18 Speaker 3: So now we're going to go.

25:20 Speaker 5: From all of this happening to now having this pretty

25:24 Speaker 5: big gap with not a lot that's gonna go on

25:29 Speaker 5: because everyone's exhausted, right and they're they're taking time off.

25:35 Speaker 3: So you know, I'm not sure that that's great for

25:37 Speaker 3: NHL business.

25:40 Speaker 1: You know, there's something to be said for kind of

25:42 Speaker 1: looking at it from both perspectives, because our season has

25:45 Speaker 1: gotten longer, and it's gonna get.

25:47 Speaker 3: Two games, and it's got longer by two games. So

25:50 Speaker 3: we're already now.

25:51 Speaker 1: We used to play and be finished in May, we're

25:54 Speaker 1: now finishing in June. You know, I mean this is

25:58 Speaker 1: you know, we're still almost now, we're a lot to

26:00 Speaker 1: finish in July. Well, and that is a hard stop. Yeah,

26:03 Speaker 1: that's a hard stop. So I think there's something from that. So,

26:07 Speaker 1: and it used to be that they weren't conditioning. They

26:09 Speaker 1: weren't I mean again, hockey was very different. But like say,

26:13 Speaker 1: back in the sixties seventies, they would literally be off

26:16 Speaker 1: for the summer and then they'd show up and part

26:19 Speaker 1: of training camp was literally treating you back into shape. Yeah,

26:24 Speaker 1: the professional sports has changed, Hockey's changed. But this is

26:29 Speaker 1: for the people who work in hockey, whether it's for

26:31 Speaker 1: the teams or for the for those of us who

26:33 Speaker 1: cover it.

26:35 Speaker 3: They need a break. So I think that there's something

26:37 Speaker 3: with that.

26:37 Speaker 1: But part of the reason it's all jammed is because

26:40 Speaker 1: the season started going so long. Yeah, if we have

26:43 Speaker 1: to finish, we have to move on to the next

26:47 Speaker 1: piece of it.

26:47 Speaker 3: So I'm not sure what.

26:48 Speaker 1: The answer is exactly. I will tell you though, that

26:52 Speaker 1: preseason starts the third feek of September, so.

26:58 Speaker 5: Well, yeah, I mean the the rookie camp start the

27:03 Speaker 5: second week and the and then regular camp is the seventeenth,

27:07 Speaker 5: and then that's really and and it's gonna.

27:09 Speaker 3: Be that weekend, is right, and you know the this

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30:37 Speaker 5: Uh so yeah, yeah, no, go ahead, and Maria by

30:40 Speaker 5: only okay, I want to know from you, Mary Beth,

30:46 Speaker 5: any player or players in particular that stood out to you,

30:53 Speaker 5: as you know, is it plausible to think that per

31:00 Speaker 5: perhaps we might see them at a professional level either,

31:06 Speaker 5: you know, the Providence Bruins, the Boston Bruins, did anyone

31:11 Speaker 5: you know seem like a diamond in the rough to you?

31:16 Speaker 1: Being so, this is where it's important to remember that

31:20 Speaker 1: most of these guys are developing, so they've got a

31:23 Speaker 1: few years to go here and there. Now, the other

31:26 Speaker 1: thing that's fun is you might remember last year I

31:30 Speaker 1: sort of went spontaneously to development camp, and that's how

31:33 Speaker 1: I really got into this whole prospect thing. Well, but

31:38 Speaker 1: I only went for one day. This year, I went

31:40 Speaker 1: all four days, and it made a big difference in

31:43 Speaker 1: what I was seeing because I was able to watch

31:44 Speaker 1: some of these players now in all of their skills,

31:48 Speaker 1: watching them drill, watching them take this coaching, and then

31:52 Speaker 1: watching them bring it into the scrimmages later. So that actually,

31:56 Speaker 1: I think made a difference in my experience with what

31:59 Speaker 1: I was seeing. Now, I'll tell you right now, obviously

32:03 Speaker 1: the standout spoiler alert James Hagen's.

32:06 Speaker 3: I can't go You'd better be right.

32:10 Speaker 1: Nobody is surprised, but I will tell you if he's

32:12 Speaker 1: not ready. He's not intel ready. And it's interesting and

32:16 Speaker 1: I keep reminding people this because people keep saying, bring

32:19 Speaker 1: him up, he's so good, bring him up, and he

32:21 Speaker 1: is good, but he's not ready. Connor Bdard, Maclen Celebrini.

32:26 Speaker 1: They are the exception, not the rule. Kids are not

32:30 Speaker 1: drafted and then play really great NHL hockey the next season.

32:34 Speaker 1: It just generally doesn't happen that way. So let's just

32:38 Speaker 1: all take a beat there. They were also first und

32:42 Speaker 1: they were number one overall picks, I.

32:44 Speaker 3: Mean number one all over literally, so.

32:47 Speaker 1: Right, he was really good, but he's not ready. He

32:50 Speaker 1: is going back.

32:51 Speaker 3: He was.

32:51 Speaker 1: He was stand out above the rest. You could tell

32:56 Speaker 1: when he was on the ice, even if you didn't,

32:58 Speaker 1: you're like, oh, who's had it? Must be Hagen's see

33:00 Speaker 1: the back of his shirt. That's the one thing that's

33:02 Speaker 1: weird about development camp and rookie camp. No no, so

33:06 Speaker 1: until you see their back, you're not sure who you're

33:08 Speaker 1: looking at because they've got their cutter. But you'd be like, oh, yeah,

33:12 Speaker 1: Hagens for sure. So he was absolutely the standout. But

33:17 Speaker 1: somebody reminded me, they're like he's a standout here here.

33:20 Speaker 5: Okay, but I guess i'll rephrase my question. The names

33:24 Speaker 5: that we should pay attention to, Yes, as we're as

33:29 Speaker 5: we're reading things and focusing in on, you know, all

33:34 Speaker 5: things hockey, names that we should pay attention to.

33:39 Speaker 3: Yep.

33:39 Speaker 1: So James Hagen's is obviously you know he's going to

33:43 Speaker 1: be a BC again this year. We've got six guys

33:45 Speaker 1: who are going to be a BC this year. So

33:46 Speaker 1: if you're in Boston, start going to some BC games.

33:49 Speaker 1: I'm to fit them into my busy hockey schedule. Yes,

33:54 Speaker 1: he's another level. Now. One of the things you're going

33:58 Speaker 1: to notice about him is that he reminds me a

34:00 Speaker 1: little bit of Pasta. His movements are pretty easy and

34:04 Speaker 1: pretty casual, but they're totally effective. One of the things

34:07 Speaker 1: I think that ticks off people about Pasta is he

34:10 Speaker 1: doesn't look like he's trying, but then he's like booth yes,

34:13 Speaker 1: and then it goes and you're going to see that,

34:15 Speaker 1: I think a little bit with Hagen's that was one

34:17 Speaker 1: of the things that I really noticed with him. I

34:19 Speaker 1: loved him, loved loved everything about now another one I

34:23 Speaker 1: loved Will Zeller's. We have the trade from Colora. Yes,

34:29 Speaker 1: I just every time he was on the ice, my

34:31 Speaker 1: eyes were drawn to him. I really I enjoyed watching

34:34 Speaker 1: him so much. He was u U s HL Forward

34:38 Speaker 1: of the year and this year he's heading to North Dakota.

34:42 Speaker 3: So totally off the table because as a reminder to

34:46 Speaker 3: our our listeners, if you're committed NC double A, you

34:51 Speaker 3: quite literally are not allowed to come to rookie camp. Yes,

34:55 Speaker 3: and that.

34:57 Speaker 1: Won't see Hagen's at rookie camp because of their double

34:59 Speaker 1: A commitments. And that's actually a lot of these players

35:03 Speaker 1: are going to be MC.

35:04 Speaker 5: A lot of them are just going to be at

35:05 Speaker 5: BC well because that could open up a Pandora's box.

35:11 Speaker 1: That well, rookie campus in September and their season started, so.

35:17 Speaker 3: Quite started. But they're they're in college. They're at school.

35:21 Speaker 3: They're at school.

35:22 Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, so that's something to keep in mind. But

35:24 Speaker 1: I love Zellers, so he's North Yeah, North Dcote. He

35:29 Speaker 1: and Higgins were paired up together when they were doing

35:31 Speaker 1: some drills and they were having a ball and they

35:35 Speaker 1: were awesome to watch together. But they had so much fun.

35:39 Speaker 1: And I just keep thinking about the Sharks. Yes, well,

35:42 Speaker 1: but they had so much fun together, and I thought this.

35:45 Speaker 3: Yes, you want these guys to enjoy the sport like

35:49 Speaker 3: Celebrinian Smith. It sounds like maybe we got our own

35:52 Speaker 3: combo there.

35:55 Speaker 2: Some of that.

35:57 Speaker 1: G IQ and incredible shot. So he was a total

36:01 Speaker 1: standout for me. Another one who really stood out for

36:03 Speaker 1: me defense wise was Ty Gallagher. Now Ty we drafted

36:08 Speaker 1: in twenty twenty one. He was at he was at

36:11 Speaker 1: camp last year. He was at BU finished in three years.

36:14 Speaker 1: Then he was at Colorado College for graduate school. He

36:18 Speaker 1: just signed he signed a two year year with the

36:20 Speaker 1: Providence Bruins, so we should see him up. I think

36:24 Speaker 1: he finished his graduate degree, so I think we're going

36:26 Speaker 1: to see him with Providence now. He is so fast,

36:30 Speaker 1: just so freaking fast. Every single time he was on

36:34 Speaker 1: the ice, I was like oo boom watching him. So

36:37 Speaker 1: he's one that I think you really want to keep

36:39 Speaker 1: an eye on. I think this is going to be

36:41 Speaker 1: a good year for him. So you think he'll be

36:43 Speaker 1: at rookie He'll be at rookie camp.

36:45 Speaker 3: You I think he'll be at rookie camp this year? Yeah,

36:49 Speaker 3: I don't know.

36:49 Speaker 1: I would expect him to be at rookie camp this year.

36:52 Speaker 3: Yeah.

36:53 Speaker 1: So so those were my kind of probably my top three.

36:57 Speaker 1: Also really excited about Wilmore now he's going to be

37:00 Speaker 1: a b C. He was he was drafted this year

37:05 Speaker 1: and he was the one who came late because he

37:09 Speaker 1: was he was the one who barely made it to camp.

37:11 Speaker 1: He was traveling with Hagans. With Hagens, yes, that's right,

37:16 Speaker 1: two of them are in the past. For the first

37:18 Speaker 1: day they're like no, no, we're getting on the ice.

37:19 Speaker 3: Oh yeah yeah. So he was on the.

37:21 Speaker 1: National development team the same way Austin Matthews came up

37:24 Speaker 1: last year. He's heading to b C this year. Plays

37:27 Speaker 1: with so much intensity. Interesting if anybody listens to low

37:31 Speaker 1: quality Bruins fan, he was. He mentioned something that we

37:35 Speaker 1: had talked about. I was watching him and I couldn't

37:38 Speaker 1: tell if Moore was just a whiner or if he

37:41 Speaker 1: really cared that much he got every single time stuff

37:44 Speaker 1: didn't go his way. He was like like, disread, well, well,

37:50 Speaker 1: time you see that. But we need to see that,

37:53 Speaker 1: right because we gave away the one guy who kind

37:56 Speaker 1: of was like that did Martians.

38:00 Speaker 3: Oh we need a guy who's worried that much, funder much.

38:02 Speaker 1: But this was where two having four days of seeing

38:05 Speaker 1: that I wouldn't have known that in one day.

38:07 Speaker 3: But it turns out he really.

38:09 Speaker 1: Is super intense, a huge competitor, really solid skills, Like

38:14 Speaker 1: he really he's a great player. He did seem really

38:17 Speaker 1: coachable though, like he would you'd watch him do something,

38:20 Speaker 1: a coach would talk to him and he'd see a change.

38:23 Speaker 3: So really like that.

38:26 Speaker 1: What I what I'm hoping for him is that he

38:27 Speaker 1: finds some fun because I don't know that he had

38:30 Speaker 1: any fun this week. Oh jeez, you know now again,

38:33 Speaker 1: I don't didim that fun. I think he was just

38:35 Speaker 1: so intense and so so focused. Yeah, but like have

38:39 Speaker 1: some fun, friend, it's gay.

38:41 Speaker 3: Well that and that comes with age and experience. You know,

38:45 Speaker 3: when you are the young, when you're the young person

38:47 Speaker 3: in the office, you feel like you got to put

38:49 Speaker 3: in all the extra hours and do all that. But

38:51 Speaker 3: by the time you know, you're thirty five, forty years old,

38:55 Speaker 3: you're like, you don't need to try that hard.

38:58 Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's where I'm sort of But he'll have

39:00 Speaker 1: a little bit more fun now. Another one who really

39:04 Speaker 1: struck out for me was Blenar. He was the he

39:07 Speaker 1: was the one that nobody could find information on Richard's

39:12 Speaker 1: now it's Blenar and I may or may not be

39:14 Speaker 1: saying it correctly. Turns out he was born in Dale,

39:17 Speaker 1: so of course I love that since I just what

39:20 Speaker 1: is this?

39:21 Speaker 3: That mystery check Mary? Yeah, so so can you click

39:25 Speaker 3: can you clarify the story? Because I am super confused.

39:29 Speaker 3: I don't know about you, Maria, but I just what

39:31 Speaker 3: is the deal? So he was actually born here in

39:34 Speaker 3: the States. He was born in Vale.

39:36 Speaker 1: His dad had been a ski instructor in Aspen and

39:39 Speaker 1: uh something, so they moved when he was young over

39:43 Speaker 1: overseas so he has been over there but speaks well.

39:48 Speaker 1: So he he was actually that's how the connection all

39:51 Speaker 1: happened here. But he's been playing for a what's essentially

39:56 Speaker 1: a major juniors in Sweden for their U twenty professional team. Okay,

40:01 Speaker 1: so that's why people I mean. And his last name

40:03 Speaker 1: had been Richards. He was not allowed to change it

40:06 Speaker 1: until he was eighteen, so he went back to, like

40:08 Speaker 1: I think, a more traditional family name.

40:10 Speaker 3: I think maybe this product wasn't.

40:12 Speaker 1: Totally clear on, but I believe his family might have

40:15 Speaker 1: changed the name when they came to the States, that

40:18 Speaker 1: he went to something more traditional in the family, or

40:20 Speaker 1: may have been his mother's family name.

40:22 Speaker 3: But that's where the name. It's a family name.

40:24 Speaker 2: Okay.

40:25 Speaker 1: He wasn't allowed to change it till he was eighteen,

40:27 Speaker 1: and he just turned eighteen. So that's why it got

40:29 Speaker 1: confusing to find information on him.

40:31 Speaker 3: Oh, got it. And so he played he played for

40:34 Speaker 3: the league that like pasta plaid in right.

40:36 Speaker 1: And yeah, well he plays that for the U twenty

40:38 Speaker 1: Swedish Okay, and we have somebody else who's playing for

40:41 Speaker 1: them too.

40:42 Speaker 3: I forget. I'll look it up and figure it out.

40:45 Speaker 3: I have it somewhere in my notes. So you have disappointing.

40:49 Speaker 1: It's the they have a U twenty professional team. Again,

40:51 Speaker 1: it's a Siphon team. So it's but he was he

40:55 Speaker 1: was to me the unexpected surprise.

40:58 Speaker 3: Oh no, good from him.

41:00 Speaker 1: But he just he has a great shot, smooth skating,

41:04 Speaker 1: really good put candling, really quick, like just a great player. Obviously,

41:09 Speaker 1: I'm saying all this, all these wonderful things about these guys.

41:12 Speaker 1: They're all still developing. So they're not nhh. He's not

41:15 Speaker 1: NHL skating, he's not NHL put candling yet. But the

41:20 Speaker 1: but these are players that I'm really seeing some some

41:22 Speaker 1: amazing stuff from. So I'm loving these. I know a

41:27 Speaker 1: lot of people are really interested in Dean Laturno.

41:29 Speaker 3: I was going to ask about him. He had been

41:32 Speaker 3: so much spoken about him.

41:37 Speaker 5: During his his tenure at BC and his you know,

41:42 Speaker 5: lack of development there, which.

41:45 Speaker 3: I think is his his issue bad luck.

41:49 Speaker 1: There's a couple of things that have come up about

41:51 Speaker 1: him as of late. One of the things was it

41:53 Speaker 1: turns out he broke his hand had surgery around Christmas,

41:58 Speaker 1: so that kind of screwed up his season a little

42:00 Speaker 1: bit there. Now. The other thing was, so he was

42:03 Speaker 1: our number one draft pick last year in twenty twenty four.

42:06 Speaker 1: You might remember last year when I was talking about Camp,

42:09 Speaker 1: I'm like, he didn't really stand out for me a

42:10 Speaker 1: Camp ex step for his.

42:11 Speaker 3: Size, Yeah, big freaking high. We have fun of them.

42:17 Speaker 1: Now, there was a lot of he did not wise,

42:20 Speaker 1: we have a lot of really big guys. Yeah, it

42:24 Speaker 1: was really interesting. But I will tell you this year

42:26 Speaker 1: I did see more physicality from him, So I like that.

42:29 Speaker 3: One of the things.

42:30 Speaker 1: A lot of people were talking about his skating, and

42:34 Speaker 1: so I kind of wanted to go in with fresh

42:36 Speaker 1: eyes and not listen to what other people had said. Yeah,

42:40 Speaker 1: he's not a very strong skater.

42:43 Speaker 3: I was gonna say, do we need to bring the

42:45 Speaker 3: professor in to evaluate his skating? But I feel like

42:48 Speaker 3: I have some thoughts. If you're if you're saying he's

42:52 Speaker 3: not a spectacular skater, I can only imagine how mowotive is.

42:56 Speaker 3: I would have a lot of it.

42:59 Speaker 1: But I will say one of the one of the

43:01 Speaker 1: things that's come up is did he we talked about

43:04 Speaker 1: all the all the ways you can get up here.

43:06 Speaker 1: He may have left the EHL a little too quickly

43:10 Speaker 1: and come up to NC double A before he was

43:11 Speaker 1: quite ready. The reason that happened was somebody left BC

43:16 Speaker 1: and a space opened up for him, so he came up.

43:18 Speaker 1: But he is supposed to last year, have another year

43:21 Speaker 1: in major juniors. Again, are of major juniors, and so

43:27 Speaker 1: he may have come up a little too soon.

43:29 Speaker 5: And he came to he came to a team that

43:33 Speaker 5: was like stat and yeah, you know number one, and

43:38 Speaker 5: so you know, you talk about, you know, a big

43:41 Speaker 5: fish that you know, now he's a little fish in

43:44 Speaker 5: this ginormous home. So you know, maybe the organization was

43:51 Speaker 5: not as savvy as they should have been with the

43:54 Speaker 5: development of this player.

43:56 Speaker 3: But the fact that you say he's not an impressive skater.

44:03 Speaker 1: He's gotten better, there's definitely some improvement. But but if

44:07 Speaker 1: you'd go in and really, because of what I was hearing,

44:10 Speaker 1: I thought, let me take a closer look and like, yeah,

44:13 Speaker 1: you know, and again, I like everybody.

44:15 Speaker 3: And I'm always giving the benefit down. I'm like, yeah, yeah, yeah.

44:19 Speaker 5: We love that about you, Mary Bell, which is why

44:24 Speaker 5: I'm like standing up and taking notice.

44:27 Speaker 3: With the of the skating ability, which is a little

44:31 Speaker 3: bit troublesome, there's nothing wrong. There's nothing wrong with Mela

44:38 Speaker 3: mention skater either, so you know, but also being in

44:45 Speaker 3: the n C Double A, there's I feel like there's uh,

44:52 Speaker 3: I don't know if the right word is like there's

44:54 Speaker 3: some slack, there's some give in that there isn't necessarily

44:58 Speaker 3: anything wrong with you and your potential to be a

45:02 Speaker 3: good NHL player if you spend your full four years there.

45:06 Speaker 3: Because that's kind of like the big difference between juniors

45:09 Speaker 3: and the NC Double A is that juniors they're done.

45:14 Speaker 3: They can't play beyond what like nineteen years of age, right,

45:18 Speaker 3: can they go raise the year the year you turn

45:22 Speaker 3: you can in the NC double A, I mean, look

45:25 Speaker 3: at Mason Laurai right, he didn't join up until to

45:30 Speaker 3: the NCU into the NHL until he was I think

45:32 Speaker 3: his ELC was signed at twenty two or twenty three. Like,

45:36 Speaker 3: you know, so you can there's literally nothing wrong with

45:39 Speaker 3: you as a as a good potential player if you

45:43 Speaker 3: play until twenty two slash twenty three whatever. You know,

45:46 Speaker 3: if you've bread shirted, blah blah blah. I'm not worried

45:51 Speaker 3: if he's taking that nc doublea path, you know, because

45:56 Speaker 3: it sounds like last year was some bad luck. Maybe

45:59 Speaker 3: this he'll have better opportunity. You know, go ahead, take

46:04 Speaker 3: the three years, take the four years, like by all

46:06 Speaker 3: means because you've got more time to develop. You're a

46:10 Speaker 3: little bit older, which is a good thing. I think

46:13 Speaker 3: people kind of forget, like, oh my god, if you're

46:16 Speaker 3: not this crazy amazing player by the time you're nineteen

46:22 Speaker 3: twenty twenty one, that you're not gonna make it. But

46:25 Speaker 3: you know, we've talked about this a little bit on

46:27 Speaker 3: the Pod in the past, where it's not just about

46:31 Speaker 3: your skating development, your your hockey IQ development, it's like

46:37 Speaker 3: also your like human brain development to be able to

46:40 Speaker 3: manage and handle and be in the pressure pot that

46:44 Speaker 3: is Ahl NHL. So I'm optimistic. I'm hopeful he has

46:50 Speaker 3: a better season at BC this year.

46:53 Speaker 1: And nobis and the other thing we have to keep

46:55 Speaker 1: in mind and C DOAA players are also going to school.

47:00 Speaker 3: I know there they are student athletes. They are very

47:04 Speaker 3: comparative and challenging school at BC.

47:08 Speaker 5: They are for sure because of yeah they you know

47:13 Speaker 5: from what you hear all around here. And you know,

47:16 Speaker 5: we have the BC football coach who's on the radio

47:20 Speaker 5: show here every week and he is always speaking that

47:24 Speaker 5: would be Bill O'Brien about the emphasis that they put

47:28 Speaker 5: on academics and athletics.

47:31 Speaker 3: And so I'm not sure that holds true in a

47:36 Speaker 3: lot of other areas. But yes, but for sure, as

47:42 Speaker 3: a person who went to an n C Double A

47:44 Speaker 3: Division one hockey school, I can tell you it's not

47:49 Speaker 3: always the case where they are you know, student first,

47:52 Speaker 3: athlete second.

47:53 Speaker 1: But I believe that I don't know they maybe they

47:55 Speaker 1: may be a one, a B, you know what a

47:57 Speaker 1: one be. But again, just remember they are also in school.

48:01 Speaker 1: When you're looking at kids juniors, their job is hockey, right, yeah, yeah,

48:06 Speaker 1: they would still have.

48:09 Speaker 3: Friends. Job is student athlete, correct, The focus is is

48:15 Speaker 3: back not backwards. It's the opposite. It may be and

48:19 Speaker 3: again or equal. You know, so I think you have

48:22 Speaker 3: to do something else in additions are there you want

48:26 Speaker 3: to keep this in mind.

48:27 Speaker 1: So now I want to talk about a couple of

48:29 Speaker 1: other kids, and I'm going to write I got it

48:32 Speaker 1: right up on everybody else. We put that out on

48:34 Speaker 1: the substack. I'm to put it in something everybody can read.

48:38 Speaker 1: But more or less, I've got it ready to go.

48:41 Speaker 1: But I want to talk about Lok Johanson. Oh yeah, yeah,

48:45 Speaker 1: drafted him last year. He was playing with Major juniors

48:50 Speaker 1: and for the Quebec the qmj HLU. But he signed

48:56 Speaker 1: his ELC November of twenty twenty four. Yes for and

49:00 Speaker 1: I know you've talked about this a little bit on

49:02 Speaker 1: the podcast, but his entry level contract and ELC depending

49:06 Speaker 1: on how old you are when you sign it. It

49:08 Speaker 1: can be a two year contract or it could be

49:11 Speaker 1: three years. Connor Badard, because he was only eighteen and

49:13 Speaker 1: he signed his was a three year so he signed

49:17 Speaker 1: the infographical he basically just burned a year. Yes, so

49:22 Speaker 1: he got paid, played it, played major juniors. But because

49:26 Speaker 1: he signed his ELC, we will likely see him this

49:29 Speaker 1: year in either Providence or Maine, our Ahl Maine being our.

49:35 Speaker 3: Eh z l yeah, ehl, yes, ehl yes, saw.

49:43 Speaker 1: Some really good things from him. He had a really

49:45 Speaker 1: solid camp.

49:46 Speaker 3: In my opinion, he was he was at rookie camp, right,

49:50 Speaker 3: he was a rookie kid.

49:50 Speaker 1: Blessuer because he could be because again and we should

49:53 Speaker 1: see him at rookie camp this year. Says he's on

49:55 Speaker 1: n C double A and because he's on his ELC. Yes,

50:00 Speaker 1: these Providence players, these main players, are the ones we're

50:03 Speaker 1: seeing at rookie camp. But he particularly compared to last year,

50:08 Speaker 1: I'm seeing some good things from him. He seems to

50:09 Speaker 1: have improved his skills, but he's also filled out and

50:14 Speaker 1: he seems to have we're control over his body. One

50:16 Speaker 1: of the consistent themes for me this week is all

50:19 Speaker 1: of these young men who have grown very quickly.

50:23 Speaker 3: We're all arms and legs and they know what to

50:27 Speaker 3: do with him. Yes, I mean eternal you know last

50:32 Speaker 3: year more with Loke Johansson. All the more reason again

50:38 Speaker 3: I am such a huge proponent of NC double A

50:43 Speaker 3: pathway being the fact that you get to grow into

50:46 Speaker 3: your body. These guys are just they don't stop growing still.

50:52 Speaker 3: They're like in they're early twenty they're still growing. So

50:55 Speaker 3: you look at someone again like Connor Bedard and it's

50:58 Speaker 3: like he's that tone growing, he's always not done.

51:02 Speaker 1: Yeah, just a tiny Matt Patra a great example.

51:04 Speaker 3: He's just a name came into my head.

51:09 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, he's phenomenal skills, but he but he just

51:13 Speaker 1: gets creamed because he doesn't have the bulk yet and

51:17 Speaker 1: it's just it's just an age thing. He'll grow into it,

51:19 Speaker 1: but there's only so much you could do to build

51:22 Speaker 1: yourself up, to book yourself up when you're.

51:25 Speaker 3: At that age. Yeah, so it'll come.

51:29 Speaker 1: So that brings me actually to Christian Kostadinski. We drafted

51:33 Speaker 1: him in twenty twenty three. He's kind of playing with

51:36 Speaker 1: the UASA us HL but he's heading to b C

51:39 Speaker 1: in the fall. Another one of our few friends. He

51:42 Speaker 1: was at camp last year and I don't really remember

51:45 Speaker 1: much about him, but he is massive, really he is

51:48 Speaker 1: like six five or bigger and about two twenty.

51:52 Speaker 3: What's his position?

51:53 Speaker 1: Uh so he is actually defense, but he seems to

51:59 Speaker 1: make rung into himself a little bit, but he is

52:01 Speaker 1: one who he's still I just felt like he was

52:05 Speaker 1: still figuring out how to use his body and how

52:07 Speaker 1: to control himself. There was times I just thought it

52:09 Speaker 1: was super awkward with the way he was moving and

52:12 Speaker 1: I and again, I think it's him growing into himself.

52:15 Speaker 1: I think he needs to fill out a little, because again,

52:18 Speaker 1: these guys are all arms and all leggs. I didn't

52:22 Speaker 1: know much about him coming in, even though he's been around.

52:24 Speaker 3: Yeah, but.

52:26 Speaker 1: Speaking of not strong skaters, apparently like two three years

52:29 Speaker 1: ago he could not skate.

52:31 Speaker 3: What right on the street is he was?

52:33 Speaker 1: It's still apparently he's making huge strides in his skating.

52:37 Speaker 2: Wait wait, wait, wait, like couldn't skate per that particular level,

52:42 Speaker 2: or like was really a genuinely terrible skater.

52:48 Speaker 1: I believe that he was generally a terrible skater from where.

52:51 Speaker 1: Oh my god, what people are telling me, But I

52:54 Speaker 1: have no reason to doubt my sources. Holy wow, So

52:58 Speaker 1: that's super impressive. Then I'm looking at him and I'm

53:02 Speaker 1: going huh. And I'm talking to some other people at

53:06 Speaker 1: Delping camp. They're like, oh, no, year or two ago,

53:09 Speaker 1: They're like, he has made tremendous strikes. So if you

53:12 Speaker 1: were to now, I I didn't notice him last year

53:15 Speaker 1: at camp maybe because of that, But again, I was

53:18 Speaker 1: only there for the one day, right, I didn't follow him.

53:21 Speaker 1: This This is a big difference. Now I've gotten to

53:23 Speaker 1: know all these guys over the four days in a

53:25 Speaker 1: way that I didn't over one day of scrimmaging last year.

53:29 Speaker 1: But he really is a total physical player and doesn't

53:32 Speaker 1: seem to have any quit from what I saw over

53:35 Speaker 1: the four days. So so again, that was an interesting

53:38 Speaker 1: one just looking at these really big guys without a

53:42 Speaker 1: lot of control over themselves.

53:45 Speaker 3: Yet my question just popped into my head.

53:47 Speaker 5: And maybe it's a crazy question, but you know, these

53:50 Speaker 5: players are all invited in the campus for four days.

53:54 Speaker 5: Does every player stay the entirety of the duration or

53:58 Speaker 5: are there any instances that you've been aware or that

54:02 Speaker 5: you've encountered where you know it's day one, day two,

54:07 Speaker 5: And obviously there have got to be assessors on the

54:10 Speaker 5: ice to say, you know, what this was like, This

54:15 Speaker 5: might not have been a good idea and to have

54:18 Speaker 5: this individual here.

54:20 Speaker 1: I haven't seen any evidence of that, and I haven't

54:22 Speaker 1: heard anything like that happening.

54:25 Speaker 3: It may happen, but if so, it's.

54:26 Speaker 1: Kept kind of lower. I'm not like and looking at

54:30 Speaker 1: because I one of the things I do is. I

54:32 Speaker 1: do look at other coverage of it and just sort of,

54:35 Speaker 1: you know, their takes and just make sure I'm not

54:36 Speaker 1: missing something major. And I haven't been looking back at

54:40 Speaker 1: past camps. I haven't seen any evidence of that happening. Now,

54:43 Speaker 1: that's not to say it doesn't, but I sort of

54:46 Speaker 1: think because it's a camp, you're not committing to anything.

54:49 Speaker 5: Okay, you're learning, you'll learn, right, Okay. You know, I

54:54 Speaker 5: don't know why that dot just popped into my head.

54:56 Speaker 5: You know, well, no, it's a good it's a good

54:58 Speaker 5: question because we do.

55:00 Speaker 3: We definitely see that during training camp, which is certainly

55:07 Speaker 3: a misnomer. I think at this point kind of like

55:09 Speaker 3: you said, Mary Beth, you know, probably forty fifty years ago,

55:15 Speaker 3: it was definitely okay, you've had the summer off, get

55:19 Speaker 3: your body back in shape, get training again, right, But

55:23 Speaker 3: certainly today it's it's a little bit of a let's

55:29 Speaker 3: ease the returning players into the you know, the level

55:34 Speaker 3: that we expect of them. But it's also a little

55:37 Speaker 3: bit of a tryout for some of the folks from

55:40 Speaker 3: some of the guys who get invited to rookie camp

55:44 Speaker 3: and then we start. We have seen some of those

55:46 Speaker 3: players then be like, all right, we're good, you can

55:49 Speaker 3: report to Providence, right, Like that's more like tryouts than camp.

55:57 Speaker 3: But that's I think that's a really good question, because again,

56:01 Speaker 3: you know, this is for me certainly a complete reframing

56:05 Speaker 3: of what this particular week of activities is. Yeah, it's

56:10 Speaker 3: a little bit different.

56:11 Speaker 1: Once we get to rookie camp, that's going to be

56:13 Speaker 1: a slightly different focus than what we're seeing today. So

56:15 Speaker 1: that's why I think, particularly for this week you're here,

56:19 Speaker 1: we're going to give you some tips. You might just

56:21 Speaker 1: take those yeps on your merry way and maybe we'll

56:23 Speaker 1: never see you again. But I want to bring up

56:25 Speaker 1: there's a couple of players that were at camp last

56:28 Speaker 1: year that now have a different role with us. So

56:33 Speaker 1: Dalton Bancroft undrafted, he was out of Cornell, signed as

56:37 Speaker 1: ELC in April, so we're gonna see he was at

56:40 Speaker 1: camp last year, so we're getting this year.

56:44 Speaker 3: We're going to see him in Providence.

56:46 Speaker 1: Interesting, Okay, we deflaly a couple of games with them

56:49 Speaker 1: because he signed in April, so we'll see yep. So

56:53 Speaker 1: there's one Cole Chandler was twenty twenty fourth camp. We

56:58 Speaker 1: drafted him this year. He's been with the Quebec Major

57:02 Speaker 1: Juniors and he's expected to stay there. But I actually

57:05 Speaker 1: really liked him, really told me one thing about him,

57:09 Speaker 1: but he just gave me a good impression. So there's

57:11 Speaker 1: two players right there that came to camp last year

57:15 Speaker 1: and are now on our rosters. Essentially, they're on our

57:18 Speaker 1: one is signed and one is one we drafted. So

57:21 Speaker 1: those are those are two. I want to make sure

57:25 Speaker 1: I'm covering everybody we drafted. Do you get Cooper Simpsons that.

57:32 Speaker 3: You really you really only get like two invites kind

57:36 Speaker 3: of like you really only ever get two invites to

57:39 Speaker 3: rookie camp or like what's the what's the what's the

57:45 Speaker 3: vibes there? That is unclear?

57:48 Speaker 1: Like we had quite a few invitations sent out, and

57:52 Speaker 1: some of them I'm like, Okay, I can see where

57:55 Speaker 1: the connection was why you might have come here, but

57:57 Speaker 1: I don't know about your play. Yeah, So so I'm

58:00 Speaker 1: guessing that they need to be seeing something in you,

58:04 Speaker 1: Like I'm guessing if Cole Chandler, if they didn't see

58:07 Speaker 1: someone in camp last year, they wouldn't have drafted him

58:09 Speaker 1: this year.

58:10 Speaker 3: True, you know, Dalton Bancroft.

58:12 Speaker 1: Undrafted, but they had him at camp last year and

58:16 Speaker 1: then they signed him at the end of Cornell season, right,

58:19 Speaker 1: So so I think that there is something to that.

58:24 Speaker 1: I know there's certainly players that were at camp last

58:26 Speaker 1: year that aren't it camp this year.

58:28 Speaker 3: Now.

58:28 Speaker 1: I did not follow up on where are they now

58:30 Speaker 1: and what have they done? But there's players that were

58:33 Speaker 1: at camp last year whose names I've not heard and

58:37 Speaker 1: I'm not sure where they are.

58:38 Speaker 3: Interesting.

58:40 Speaker 1: For Simpson, we drafted this year. He was in high

58:44 Speaker 1: school and the us HL last year, so he's staying

58:48 Speaker 1: in juniors. But like we drafted him, but you know

58:52 Speaker 1: when you're trying to look him up.

58:53 Speaker 3: And you're like, oh, yeah, is this kid? Yeah, Maria,

58:56 Speaker 3: you had a question.

58:57 Speaker 6: Yeah, I was gonna ask these assessments in terms of

59:00 Speaker 6: you know, the drafting, the signing. These being made by

59:06 Speaker 6: the scouting staff for the Bruins. So our scouting staff

59:11 Speaker 6: is the Yeah, so what they're doing now. One of

59:13 Speaker 6: the things is, and again I don't know how true

59:17 Speaker 6: it is or not, but you know, we end up

59:19 Speaker 6: with a lot of.

59:19 Speaker 3: Locals we had. I think that's common with all of these.

59:24 Speaker 1: So it's how for are your scouts going, how much

59:27 Speaker 1: are you doing that? There was a lot of talk

59:29 Speaker 1: as I was looking into some of the major juniors

59:31 Speaker 1: in Canada, like they have unbelievable scouting up there, Like

59:35 Speaker 1: they are hardcore scouting up there in Canada.

59:38 Speaker 3: But that's what they do.

59:39 Speaker 1: They live and die by the major juniors. They don't

59:41 Speaker 1: have that NCUA A system up there. You know, they're competing.

59:45 Speaker 1: It's going to be even different, that's going to change.

59:48 Speaker 3: But you know we have like c. J.

59:50 Speaker 1: Foley was an invite. Well, kid grew up in Hanover,

59:53 Speaker 1: he went to Fair. He's at Dartmouth right now. So well,

59:56 Speaker 1: you know there's a kid that they're that somebody has

59:59 Speaker 1: probably seen him playing around. So when we're thinking about

1:00:04 Speaker 1: that's ECAC hockey. Yeah, yeah, it just it begs the

1:00:10 Speaker 1: question for me because we do seem to have an

1:00:16 Speaker 1: affinity for our local yeah athletes here hockey hockey athletes,

1:00:24 Speaker 1: And I just wonder why, you know, are we why

1:00:28 Speaker 1: do we seem to be making and and again, Hockey

1:00:31 Speaker 1: East is awesome, right, it's sticking our egg right the

1:00:35 Speaker 1: gold standards as you mentioned earlier, K, But it just

1:00:41 Speaker 1: seems to me that we kind of to some degree

1:00:45 Speaker 1: put all of our eggs.

1:00:48 Speaker 3: Sometimes in the hockey basket. Yeah, in a matching basket

1:00:52 Speaker 3: at the very least, right, Yeah, I think, I think.

1:00:56 Speaker 1: And now all of this happens through through our scouting

1:00:59 Speaker 1: all all the NHL teams from there scouting, right. I

1:01:02 Speaker 1: think that particularly with some of the East Coast teams,

1:01:06 Speaker 1: and I'm sure with some of the Canadian teams, there's

1:01:08 Speaker 1: so much local talent that they don't go that far afield.

1:01:12 Speaker 1: We're certainly not recruiting kids from California, and I mean

1:01:16 Speaker 1: not that there's that many, but we're not getting these

1:01:19 Speaker 1: kids from these other markets. Now, what's interesting is like

1:01:21 Speaker 1: Arizona State is starting do you want hockey? Right, So

1:01:25 Speaker 1: they're starting you know, there's actually people transferring down there,

1:01:29 Speaker 1: there's people moving there and doing that, and so so

1:01:32 Speaker 1: some of these other markets are going to start opening up.

1:01:36 Speaker 1: But when you look at there's a lot of like Minnesota, Wisconsin,

1:01:40 Speaker 1: there's huge hockey there. But guess what, we're not scouting

1:01:44 Speaker 1: over there that much. We're not ending up with a

1:01:45 Speaker 1: bunch of Minnesota kids because they're like, oh well.

1:01:48 Speaker 3: Look we could just walk down the street to just

1:01:50 Speaker 3: let Hill, right.

1:01:52 Speaker 5: But I alway times wonder if we're just I don't

1:01:56 Speaker 5: want to say being closed minded, but are we not giving.

1:02:03 Speaker 3: Due diligence, Yes.

1:02:07 Speaker 1: To that. But we also then ended up like with Blener,

1:02:11 Speaker 1: totally we hard nobody knew what to expect from him,

1:02:14 Speaker 1: you know, kind of a an unusual pick. So I

1:02:18 Speaker 1: do think we end up with a lot of locals.

1:02:22 Speaker 1: I do think we probably should expand our reach a

1:02:24 Speaker 1: little bit. I have to agree with you in that,

1:02:26 Speaker 1: but I think that that is we do have a

1:02:29 Speaker 1: a abundance of really good hockey.

1:02:34 Speaker 3: Right are you really missing out on that super phenomenal player.

1:02:42 Speaker 3: If like, at the end of the day, if you

1:02:45 Speaker 3: think about it, and again this is going so deep

1:02:48 Speaker 3: into the weeds, but if you think about where if

1:02:55 Speaker 3: you've got an NCAA player who is not coming from

1:03:01 Speaker 3: Canada and they're going the very traditional American route of

1:03:07 Speaker 3: they do American USA hockey, youth hockey, they go to

1:03:10 Speaker 3: American prep school. They're either going to Shattuck right Saint

1:03:17 Speaker 3: Mary's which is in Minnesota. They then go to Minnesota,

1:03:23 Speaker 3: or they go to a Hockey East team so they

1:03:28 Speaker 3: end up local anyways, or they are from somewhere in

1:03:32 Speaker 3: the United States and they go to Deerfield, they go

1:03:36 Speaker 3: to Exeter, they go to what's that place in the Berkshires,

1:03:42 Speaker 3: you know it's and then they end up in Hockey East,

1:03:45 Speaker 3: right or so, you know, is it? I don't know

1:03:51 Speaker 3: if we are necessarily missing out. We could be, you know,

1:03:54 Speaker 3: I'm not saying I guess that's my point. How do

1:03:57 Speaker 3: we how do we know if all you know expand

1:04:04 Speaker 3: your reach?

1:04:05 Speaker 1: A well, here's what I will say though, when we

1:04:07 Speaker 1: look at the on our discord, But there is the

1:04:12 Speaker 1: list of the development camp roster, and actually C. J.

1:04:16 Speaker 3: Foley is the only kid born local interesting.

1:04:20 Speaker 1: So true locally Massachusetts kid on here, We've got Ontario, Nova, Scotia, California,

1:04:29 Speaker 1: New York, Minnesota, Ontario, Alaska, a couple more Ontarios, Arizona,

1:04:36 Speaker 1: a bunch of Swedes, New Jersey. So there's kids there

1:04:40 Speaker 1: are kids like born now where they were before that?

1:04:43 Speaker 1: Because all I have is where were they this past year?

1:04:47 Speaker 3: And where are they going? Right? So not part hard

1:04:52 Speaker 3: to say, Yeah, yeah, it's an interesting it's you know,

1:04:57 Speaker 3: I feel like there, Let's be honest, there's never enough time,

1:05:02 Speaker 3: but that certainly would be a fantastic thread to pull

1:05:06 Speaker 3: on to figure out you know, if you look at

1:05:10 Speaker 3: the last let's say, ten years worth of draft picks

1:05:15 Speaker 3: or you know, prospects. What however, you want to quantify it,

1:05:18 Speaker 3: what was the path that they took? Where did they

1:05:20 Speaker 3: come from? Because ultimately it doesn't necessarily matter where they

1:05:23 Speaker 3: came from, you know, where you were born. It's how

1:05:27 Speaker 3: do you how do you choose to spend your time

1:05:32 Speaker 3: playing hockey from ages fourteen to eighteen? Where do you go?

1:05:37 Speaker 3: Does it matter? You know, did Celebrini what was his

1:05:45 Speaker 3: path necessarily versus bidar versus? And I'm just talking about

1:05:50 Speaker 3: you know, North American for the most part. You know

1:05:54 Speaker 3: La Frenier that's another one who was a top draft

1:05:58 Speaker 3: pick a number of years. Go like, you know, if

1:06:02 Speaker 3: they're choosing to go the NCAA route, what does that

1:06:05 Speaker 3: path look like? Are they all for the most part,

1:06:09 Speaker 3: it's six of one. You go to school in Boston

1:06:12 Speaker 3: or you go to school in Minnesota. Does it matter then?

1:06:15 Speaker 3: I don't know, you know, it's curious. It's curious. Well,

1:06:19 Speaker 3: if you go on some of.

1:06:21 Speaker 1: These, like particularly the major juniors, if you go on there,

1:06:23 Speaker 1: they'll be like, here's our alum, here's where they went.

1:06:26 Speaker 1: You know, so you can follow the path. You think

1:06:27 Speaker 1: that is a really interesting way to look at it.

1:06:30 Speaker 1: I do want to make sure there's one more local kid,

1:06:33 Speaker 1: but he's not really he's from Sweden, but Alvin mary

1:06:39 Speaker 1: Bath very welcome. He's that you made goalie from un

1:06:43 Speaker 1: He's an invite. Yeah. I did not do much on

1:06:46 Speaker 1: the hockey exactly, and also where swimming came from.

1:06:50 Speaker 3: I know, did you know what I picked up on

1:06:53 Speaker 3: the fact that you said Alaska a few times?

1:06:55 Speaker 1: Yeah, so that was.

1:07:00 Speaker 3: Last Yeah m hm. But I but I liked Boya.

1:07:03 Speaker 1: I thought he was again the goalies at the they

1:07:07 Speaker 1: literally are just standing there getting pelted.

1:07:09 Speaker 3: I know, it's.

1:07:12 Speaker 5: Just it's it just seemed like such a hard place

1:07:17 Speaker 5: for goalies to be at a development because let us

1:07:22 Speaker 5: just keep throwing pucks think you know.

1:07:25 Speaker 1: But I will tell you I really did like him

1:07:27 Speaker 1: when I saw him on there, he he was on

1:07:30 Speaker 1: top of it. He stood out among the goalies, so

1:07:33 Speaker 1: that's why I wanted to make sure to bring him up.

1:07:35 Speaker 3: I thought he was quick.

1:07:36 Speaker 1: I thought he tracked the puck well and he seemed

1:07:38 Speaker 1: to always know where it was.

1:07:40 Speaker 3: So I so he was one.

1:07:41 Speaker 1: They all seemed to improve over the week. But again,

1:07:44 Speaker 1: you know that that eighteen nineteen year old goalies, they've

1:07:47 Speaker 1: got a ways to go in there. Toy got like

1:07:49 Speaker 1: a decade to go. It's a waste, so I don't

1:07:53 Speaker 1: I can't spend a whole lot of time. But he

1:07:55 Speaker 1: did stand out for me that I that I did

1:07:57 Speaker 1: think he was. He was somebody to keep an eye on.

1:08:02 Speaker 1: And he's at Humane so we can do that.

1:08:04 Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, and he's gonna he's gonna play at Umane yep. Good.

1:08:09 Speaker 1: So he was there last year and he'll be there

1:08:11 Speaker 1: again this year. So and he was he's a sophomore,

1:08:15 Speaker 1: I know, twenty one, so I'm not sure what year,

1:08:18 Speaker 1: but he was. But he's from Sweden, so I don't

1:08:21 Speaker 1: know what year that makes, you know. And some of

1:08:22 Speaker 1: these guys red shirt themselves.

1:08:24 Speaker 3: Some of them yeah yeah, freshman year, yeah, stuff before

1:08:27 Speaker 3: they do NCAA. So yeah, So for our listeners who

1:08:31 Speaker 3: are not familiar with NC double A rule, red shirting

1:08:34 Speaker 3: is typically something that happens their first year of college

1:08:36 Speaker 3: and they purposely sit out because to be an NC

1:08:39 Speaker 3: double A player you can only play four periods. That's

1:08:43 Speaker 3: why some of them get graduate degrees. And you're like,

1:08:45 Speaker 3: why does he have a graduate degree because that was

1:08:47 Speaker 3: his fourth year, so it's weird. I went to college

1:08:52 Speaker 3: with some of those guys. I'm like, what are you doing?

1:08:54 Speaker 3: What do you mean you're a graduate student? What? Yeah?

1:08:59 Speaker 1: Yeah?

1:08:59 Speaker 7: But so final thoughts, Mary Beth, how do you feel,

1:09:05 Speaker 7: you know, because this past year Maria and I kind

1:09:10 Speaker 7: of talked, especially around the New Year time when it

1:09:15 Speaker 7: was you know, the Juniors, Boston was the only pro

1:09:20 Speaker 7: team to not have representation at the World Juniors.

1:09:25 Speaker 3: We know that our pipeline has been absolutely just terrible

1:09:31 Speaker 3: or as you just said, Maria, abysmal. How do you

1:09:36 Speaker 3: feel about the future for Boston And if.

1:09:42 Speaker 8: You could make a guess, how how soon could we

1:09:50 Speaker 8: start to see some of those positive things that you

1:09:53 Speaker 8: sought this, you know, this past dev camp.

1:09:56 Speaker 3: You know, let's be honest, two years, three years, what's

1:10:00 Speaker 3: your take away.

1:10:01 Speaker 1: We're definitely well, we're definitely gonna be seeing like Ty Gallagher.

1:10:05 Speaker 1: We're gonna see him in Providence. It wouldn't surprise me

1:10:08 Speaker 1: to see him start to come up a little bit

1:10:10 Speaker 1: over the next year or two. Yeah, No, that wouldn't

1:10:13 Speaker 1: surprise me at all. I think depending on I'm hoping

1:10:19 Speaker 1: that most of these players finish out their development at

1:10:24 Speaker 1: the NCAA or juniors level as long as they can.

1:10:27 Speaker 1: I don't think they're had anything to gain by rushing

1:10:32 Speaker 1: and jumping into the AHL and the and the NHL.

1:10:35 Speaker 3: I just don't.

1:10:37 Speaker 1: So I'm hoping so so based on that, I am

1:10:40 Speaker 1: guessing we're gonna start seeing it. We're gonna start seeing

1:10:43 Speaker 1: like Will Zeller's, We're gonna start seeing James Hagen. My

1:10:46 Speaker 1: guess is in the next three to four years.

1:10:49 Speaker 3: Now. Again, that doesn't mean some of the players though,

1:10:51 Speaker 3: we don't love that. I mean, if you're watching this

1:10:55 Speaker 3: on YouTube, you just saw my face, Maria's face.

1:10:59 Speaker 1: I know right now, some of these things made to

1:11:02 Speaker 1: go up a little more quickly because they're a little

1:11:04 Speaker 1: bit older. True when we're looking at When we're looking

1:11:07 Speaker 1: at Will was only nineteen and James is eighteen.

1:11:12 Speaker 3: So so yeah, I'll be a little there.

1:11:15 Speaker 1: They are the two top ones from the camp for me,

1:11:18 Speaker 1: and they're young, so they're probably three to four years.

1:11:21 Speaker 1: But again, we're going to look at these like Ty Gallagher,

1:11:24 Speaker 1: who's already going to be in Providence.

1:11:26 Speaker 3: We've got.

1:11:28 Speaker 1: A couple of others who are like Bancroft, he's already

1:11:31 Speaker 1: going to be he's got his ELC sign. So we're

1:11:34 Speaker 1: going to start seeing some of these guys coming up

1:11:36 Speaker 1: to Providence. As you know, I made it down for

1:11:39 Speaker 1: like Calder Cup game and loved it, So definitely invested

1:11:43 Speaker 1: in seeing some of these guys. We have a couple

1:11:46 Speaker 1: of guys that we've got a lot of them right

1:11:48 Speaker 1: now in the NCAA system.

1:11:50 Speaker 3: Yeah. Well, we know there's a time limit there.

1:11:53 Speaker 1: We know they're going to be done in two three

1:11:56 Speaker 1: they're all they all almost all of them have at

1:11:58 Speaker 1: least a year or two under their built. So I'm

1:12:01 Speaker 1: looking at you know, two three years. So for our

1:12:04 Speaker 1: pipeline as such, I'm saying three to four years. No, no,

1:12:10 Speaker 1: but that's what we're talking about.

1:12:12 Speaker 3: A team turnovers, Yeah yeah, yeah, that's a whole fresh

1:12:15 Speaker 3: team and they're doing a rebuild.

1:12:17 Speaker 1: Now we're gonna some of these players are going to

1:12:19 Speaker 1: be coming up and filling in. Look at nobody thought

1:12:22 Speaker 1: Mason Lora would be full ton NHL Vin.

1:12:24 Speaker 3: Oh No, people always surprise. I mean, right, he went,

1:12:29 Speaker 3: he was at dev camp, what was it it was

1:12:31 Speaker 3: two years ago? Now he was invited to rookie the

1:12:35 Speaker 3: last year, but no, he's at rookie camp. Was two

1:12:38 Speaker 3: years ago. Yeah, it was two years ago, and then

1:12:40 Speaker 3: he went to rookie camp and then just shocked everybody.

1:12:43 Speaker 3: So you never know what's going to happen, certainly, so listeners,

1:12:49 Speaker 3: if you're in the Boston area or you know, near

1:12:54 Speaker 3: any of these colleges that these players are at, you know,

1:13:00 Speaker 3: make sure that we post where they're playing. Go to

1:13:04 Speaker 3: the games, you know, frequently they are very inexpensive and

1:13:08 Speaker 3: to watch, uh, you know, either Hockey East or if

1:13:13 Speaker 3: you like to go to Harvard and see some of them,

1:13:16 Speaker 3: that's ECAC. But they're all really affordable. Uh, to go

1:13:19 Speaker 3: see those games. Definitely go check these guys out. Good

1:13:23 Speaker 3: enough for families too, you know. Yeah, it's great atmosphere.

1:13:28 Speaker 3: Go check them out. Tell us what you think during

1:13:31 Speaker 3: the season. You know, we don't want to forget about

1:13:34 Speaker 3: some of these players because now we are super invested

1:13:37 Speaker 3: in paying attention. Let us know what you think. Uh, Marybeth,

1:13:43 Speaker 3: thank you so much for spending four days Warner watching

1:13:49 Speaker 3: these kids.

1:13:50 Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeahhead of Ballad of All.

1:13:52 Speaker 3: I mean, I you know, I I can't wait till

1:13:58 Speaker 3: we can do something similar and when we do, we

1:14:02 Speaker 3: will have a whole podcast. We'll do a live at

1:14:06 Speaker 3: Warrior something for sure, But Marybeth, you.

1:14:10 Speaker 1: Will be at Rookie Camp, be a rookie common degree number,

1:14:15 Speaker 1: and I'm gonna before that, I'm gonna have all this.

1:14:17 Speaker 1: We'll put this out on the substack and we also

1:14:19 Speaker 1: have a copy of the development camp roster, so I've

1:14:23 Speaker 1: done that over as well.

1:14:25 Speaker 3: Yeah, and people can sort of see the stuff that

1:14:27 Speaker 3: I saw. Yeah, definitely my take on it.

1:14:31 Speaker 1: So yeah, take it all with a grain of salt,

1:14:33 Speaker 1: or probably a lot of grains of salt. But yeah,

1:14:36 Speaker 1: it was a fun week for sure.

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1:15:17 Speaker 3: you again, Maria Maribeth. I'm actually excited about these young

1:15:22 Speaker 3: guys because I have nothing else to look forward to it,

1:15:27 Speaker 3: you know what, there wearth.

1:15:28 Speaker 1: Being excited about, and not just as a consolation prize.

1:15:32 Speaker 3: Yes, I am super excited about about Hagen's I wish

1:15:36 Speaker 3: I lived closer to Boston to go see them. But

1:15:40 Speaker 3: we will be as a as a little bit of

1:15:41 Speaker 3: a teaser coming up for some next episodes this summer,

1:15:46 Speaker 3: because as I said, I know everybody is dying for

1:15:50 Speaker 3: hockey these days.

1:15:52 Speaker 1: We are.

1:15:53 Speaker 3: Actually we've got a special guest for our one hundredth episode,

1:15:57 Speaker 3: which is coming up very very soon, we will be

1:15:59 Speaker 3: doing doing deep dives on all of the signings from

1:16:04 Speaker 3: the D plus rated free agency check out ourselves. We

1:16:09 Speaker 3: went from the high of the draft to the low.

1:16:14 Speaker 1: Oh my god.

1:16:15 Speaker 5: Yeah, so we're gonna be We're gonna be that the

1:16:18 Speaker 5: hell is the plan? You know what the hell is

1:16:22 Speaker 5: the plan? But again we'll save that for our next Yeah.

1:16:26 Speaker 3: So we're gonna do some deep dives on these new guys.

1:16:30 Speaker 3: We've we've talked about it. We gotta do it. We

1:16:32 Speaker 3: got to talk about revisiting some of our big guys

1:16:36 Speaker 3: last year because some so we certainly make or you

1:16:41 Speaker 3: are following usscribing everywhere episode fully inform. Come October whatever, seventh, eighth, tenth,

1:16:52 Speaker 3: I'm not sure at this point. For the start of

1:16:55 Speaker 3: the we'll know and next week for sure we'll have

1:16:58 Speaker 3: the schedule. Oh that that's a fact. That's a fact.

1:17:01 Speaker 3: So there you go. So uh any final thoughts Forria Mary.

1:17:06 Speaker 5: Beth, thank you again for your just the the amount

1:17:10 Speaker 5: of time, effort, and energy you put into this episode,

1:17:14 Speaker 5: into other episodes you've you've done with us, very much appreciated.

1:17:18 Speaker 5: I always walk away understanding and knowing more and have

1:17:23 Speaker 5: learned something, so I appreciate, I appreciate you.

1:17:27 Speaker 3: Oh, thank you. Yes, your other professor in residence, we'll

1:17:34 Speaker 3: give her a doctorate. We'll get doctor Mo. Sorry, you're

1:17:38 Speaker 3: just a professor, doctor doctor m B. But as always,

1:17:44 Speaker 3: thanks for listening, and uh go bees go be