Bruins Development Camp Gives Us Hope | Ep. 98

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0:52 Speaker 3: Welcome in, everybody to another episode of Bruins Tape to Tape. I am your host this evening, Caroline, and I'm joined by my fantastic co host, the newly retired and very pan Maria of Watertown. Hey Maria, Hey ladies, how is everyone tonight? I'm doing really good. I'm doing good. It's it's early July, so we have what August September.

1:22 Speaker 2: We are.

1:22 Speaker 3: We are still very far away, it seems from the start up ways than one. We are far away. We are so far away from the start of the season. But it being July. We have brought in our favorite development young player expert for the pod of Mary Beth. She is joining us today to talk about her week at development camp, which was apparently a fantastic time and we are all going to have to just go away have a gigantic contingent next seas. But welcome and Mary Beth excited.

2:02 Speaker 1: To have you.

2:03 Speaker 3: Thanks so much.

2:03 Speaker 1: I'm really happy to be here. As you know, this is one of my favorite times of the year.

2:07 Speaker 3: I know, I know, well you know, Maria and I.

2:11 Speaker 4: We get deep in the weeds with the team as it exists in Boston in the day to day, especially all the regulars, and I know for myself, I'll speak for myself that I.

2:24 Speaker 3: Do not pay nearly enough attention to these young up and comers, not just because you know, there's always so much going on in Boston, but a lot of the young people in the last couple of seasons really not that they haven't been good, but you know, we haven't had so many draft picks, and we haven't had so many high draft picks. And I feel like there was a lot of buzz this season or this summer around development camp because we're seeing for the second time Dean Materno, who was our kind of quote unch big draft pick from last year, who spent his first year away at college.

3:04 Speaker 3: We had the seventh overall pick this year. He got his butt to Boston from La immediately, you know, and I heard really fantastic things. So I'm actually super excited to hear about these young guys because we've clearly had a lack of young talent waiting in the wings. And you got a front row seat. I sure did, m boy.

3:30 Speaker 1: It was a fun week, so I can't wait to share everything about it, some of the guys that really impressed me, some of the fun things we saw. And next year, everybody put it on your calendar. We'll have a big party there for the week. One hundred percent all.

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4:58 Speaker 5: Tap the link in the show notes and take your spot on the bench. This, of all years, with what the Bruins are doing right now, which is basically a rebuild, it's even more important that we do pay attention because I will be totally honest disclosure, I have paid absolutely no attention to these development camps in the past, and now is the time that we do need to focus more on that because you know, clearly the Bruins are moving in an alternative direction. I'm not quite sure that they have made a determination yet what that direction is, but that's a story for a different podcast, but at some point in time it is necessary to focus on your young players because they are going to be a part of the future of the team.

6:03 Speaker 5: So you know, we need to know what that is going to potentially look like and who is going to be at the forefront.

6:12 Speaker 3: That new new player development. Yeah, exactly. I think hopefully at the end of our conversation today, maybe we will get a sense of how long is it going to potentially take to see some of this. You know, draft effort actually come to fruition because you know, with the exception of maybe the first and second overall pick, and obviously depending on the team, most NHL teams don't actually get to use their first round pick right away. It's it's not a super common thing. So yeah, why don't we start out first, Marybeth, give us the rundown?

6:58 Speaker 3: What is development camp? Who's invited? Why is this a thing? You know every team needs to have this event literally forty eight hours after the draft. All I know is it can be not all the draft picks, but certainly some of the team's top draft picks get invited immediately. There are other random guys I don't know who some of them are.

7:28 Speaker 2: What is it?

7:29 Speaker 3: How do you get invited? Who's there? Why are they there? Give us the rundown. Sure.

7:34 Speaker 1: So, Development camp is essentially a summer program held by all of the NHL teams. It's they're newly drafted and they're signed prospects, but they also have some space and they invite some other players. So there's some that are there just by invitation, and it's usually somebody that the team wants to have an eye on. Most of the guys that we had invited a connection from a from a college or something, so you could see, oh, okay, they were at school with such and such. That's probably how they how they got noticed by our scouting staff.

8:11 Speaker 1: So at development camp, the team gets to know the players, but the players also get to know the team, the culture, the training methods, and the coaching staff. The focus is on their skills, nutrition, training, sports, psychology, and essentially the staff helps them to map out what their development plan is.

8:35 Speaker 3: So it's basically hockey school but on steroids. Yeah, not really, because that would be illegal. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. So can somebody be at let's say, you know, Bruins Camp dev camp this year and next year at another team's camp, or does it tend to be players who are like really like the Bruins have client called DIBs on them if they haven't already formally drafted them or whatever.

9:07 Speaker 1: So it's the people who are invited. They're usually draft picks and signed prospects. So in that case, you know, when we look at James Hagen's right, well, we drafted him, he's not going to show up at the Avalanche next year because we've signed him. But we have a couple of other invites who if we are not inviting them, they could be invited by another team for sure, because it's it's the draft picks the prospects, but it's also undrafted free agents, so they can kind of do what they want.

9:36 Speaker 2: Now.

9:37 Speaker 1: I don't know exactly how the invitation process works behind the scenes, sure, but I am guessing that these are people who have been in conversation with the Bruins, the scouts or somebody from the staff. They've been having a little bit of back and forth and that's how they're Okay, why don't you come to camp and she's what you have. Now it could be after a camp is like we don't feel like you're a fit or the prospect themselves could be like, you know what, I've gotten to know you, and you're not feeling like a great fit for me.

10:09 Speaker 1: So I think that that they could show up at somebody else's camp. More often they're showing up at our camp for a year or two.

10:16 Speaker 3: A couple of years.

10:18 Speaker 1: They can start coming to camp, usually around age eighteen, and then it's usually twenty to twenty one year olds, although there are certainly a few guys who are older, but not by much because there's still they might still be playing college, they might still be you know, they haven't entered the AHL, they haven't signed their entry levels sometimes, so some of these players, we're still seeing it development camp. One of the things that's interesting is it is a development camp. When we're seeing these players, they're learning stuff, they're being coached.

10:52 Speaker 1: One of the things you're watching is, hey, I saw this player do this. I saw a coach talk to them. Am I seeing it? So that's part of what you're looking for over the week from these guys. Am I seeing a difference from day one? You want to, Yeah, seeing the exact same mistakes for four days, but right knowing some of the stuff we're watching some of the drills they're doing, some of the scrimmages, they might be working on something specific, yeah said, Hey, I really want you to to be more on your outside edge, or I really want to be leaning in this way, or I really want you to head forward this way.

11:28 Speaker 1: So they might be working on a specific skill. That means you're not actually seeing them playing right and as they would say in a game. So that's one of the things to mind that this is hockey school, so they're being schooled.

11:43 Speaker 3: That's really fascinating because it's all kind of coming together to me for me now in my head about what this really is. It's so my daughter is at goalie camp this week, and you know, and she's been to hockey camp before, and and it's quite literally it's camp, right, just like what you would imagine, like you go to camp in the summertime, right. Uh. And for whatever reason, I've always considered, uh, the use of the word camp in the NHL to mean it's not really camp, it's just warming up, right, it's warm ups really, right.

12:22 Speaker 3: But watching some of the videos that you, uh and pictures that you sent me that we've been sharing on our social media, tape to tape mkay, check out out. Uh. And you know, I'm starting to recognize some even some of the things that you know, the coaching staff is having the players do as literally the things that I have watched my kid do, if not all last year in her second year of might, but also this summer. You know, the skating drills, even the way that they scrimmage where it's half ice like they're playing cross ice, which if anybody's listening has a kid in mites or younger, I mean that's cross ice.

13:09 Speaker 3: That's exactly how you do scrimmaging. And so it's really fascinating to me now to kind of look at this and think, Wow, it's not just warm up slash tryouts basically, right, because I think that's also what I was thinking, was like, oh, this is a tryouts kind of thing. No, it's quite literally, let's see where you're at, where you're at, let's teach you some things. And then obviously the stakes are a little bit higher in that they're also kind of evaluating you to say, can you learn, like where's your skill set on Monday?

13:39 Speaker 3: Can we give you advice? Can we teach you some strategies? Can we say, like you know, give this a try. Are you trying to pick it up? Are you trying putting that effort in? Are you able to pick it up? And then I would imagine those players go off, you know, the NCAA, they go to my juniors and they watch them and see like, are you applying the things that we've suggested and kind of going from there. So that's really fascinating to think of it as like actual like like you said, hockey school, actual summer camp where you learn hockey skill, like a hockey skill summer camp literally.

14:22 Speaker 1: Right, So they're learning their this is they're developing. Yeah, So one of the things I think that's helpful for people to know is how do they get here? What gets them up to camp? What gets them to the point of being ready to be invited to a development camp? And there's a couple of different paths they can take. In Canada, you start out with minor hockey so that you know, the mites, et cetera, whatever they're calling it, but it's starting with you seven programs. Then they move on to junior hockey, and there's actually a couple of different ways you can do that.

14:53 Speaker 1: So there's the CHL the Canadian Hockey League, and that has what people here of as the Major Juniors. Okay, so you're hearing the Major Juniors. It is the Western Hockey League, the w HL which is basically Western Canada, the OHL which is the Ontario Hockey League, and that's Middle Canada.

15:13 Speaker 3: And the US UH.

15:14 Speaker 1: Then there is the q m j h L that is the Big Your Hockey League, which is the Atlantic Canada region, and the Eastern US basically Eastern Canada in the US.

15:27 Speaker 3: So that is the CHL.

15:29 Speaker 1: Now that is actually semi professional, so they draft into that up until August first of this year. If you're in the CHL in any of those leagues, you are not NC double A eligible because of the stipend that changes August first this year.

15:49 Speaker 3: That's going to change the landscape a great deal that I do know about because I am a big NC double A hockey fan, so I that's been a huge thing. Expect the potential for a lot of movement this year, especially after the first semester for colleges or the first trimester if they're on that kind of system, and there could be players who come in and come out this year.

16:17 Speaker 1: It's going to be a very interesting. It's going to be big transition. So that's really and this is basically kids who are eligible for that are sixteen to their nineteen year old season, so that's again were not eligible for the NC Double A. Now you are NC Double A obviously another path for the Canadians. But there also are some other junior leagues, Junior A and Junior B. Those are non professional, so they're part of the Canadian Junior Hockey League. And that was like Cale McCart did that because he wanted to protect his NC Double A eligibility.

16:55 Speaker 1: So again I'm going to be interested to see after August first how all this plays out, because that just wasn't There was a couple of different paths. You either chose this professional path where you were getting a stipend and couldn't do a lot of other things, or you chose the development path, which again they're both development, but one was unpaid. Now in the US, there's minor hockey, just like in Canada, you know, starting with sevens. Then depending on where you are in the US, you might take the route for high school or you might do triple A because we do have Massachusetts, Minnesota, Wisconsin, a lot of great high school programs that can develop players, so that might be a place that you're doing it.

17:39 Speaker 3: There's also then the.

17:41 Speaker 1: NTDP that's the National Team Development Program, so that's where Austin Matthews came up, and their focus is on international competition. So that's when you're seeing these kids like you know when in World Juniors, Well they're coming from other teams, but it's that development team that's going out. They're playing a lot of those games. Then there is the UA USHL, so this is more similar to what you're seeing for the junior the major juniors. They maintain their amateur status. Their focus is to prep kids for the NCAA and the NHL, and that's ages sixteen to twenty that you're playing USHL.

18:21 Speaker 3: Yeah, so this is so really these.

18:23 Speaker 1: Are all the places that everyone's developing up through and then we meet them this past week in development camp.

18:31 Speaker 3: Fascinating. I love this. I appreciate this because I think probably like a lot of our listeners, and you know, Maria, you probably we've all heard of these different levels and leagues. I mean, Maria, you also had a kid go through youth hockey, you know in the United States, that takes you to about high school and a friend of mine her son just finished up his freshman year of high school, and it was, well, they were at kind of that point where it's, Okay, do we try and make a tournament bound Tier one team that's in this area, which kind of then can put you on that one of those developmental paths, or do you just play for your local high school team and that's probably gonna take you to more of a recreational future, you know.

19:20 Speaker 3: And it's just as I was kind of telling you, ladies before we started the podcast, I was listening to a completely unrelated non hockey podcast. I swear I'd listen to some of them. I have other interests, I swear. And they were actually just talking randomly all of a sudden about basketball, and they were talking about how the different levels and the skills of different levels in basketball it's like peeling an onion. And as I'm sitting there and I'm listening to this, I'm like, that's the same thing in hockey, because first of all, you have to start out super young, and you have to know to start super young, right.

20:00 Speaker 3: I got my kid in when she was three or four. I mean, Maria, how old was you was your son when he started, you know, learn to play and MINII three years old, three years old on skates, so you know what I mean. And then you everybody kind of in the US at least, they go into youth hockey. But as soon as you hit squirts, you ten ten, you you start to see them kind of shuffle out into all these different levels, and like it's happened so fast and so quickly, and then you've got all of these different layers.

20:34 Speaker 3: It's sometimes it's kind of madness. Parents.

20:38 Speaker 5: No, no, but as parents, those layers can be a little frightening because you know, you sometimes don't always know the legitimacy true those layers.

20:50 Speaker 2: And is it.

20:55 Speaker 3: Is it the right path? Right? Is it the right path to take? Right?

21:00 Speaker 5: Because you know, anyone can approach you and say, you know in some instances, you know, and I've encountered this in the past, where related to my son, you know, are you just approaching because you need a body to fill this team?

21:15 Speaker 3: Because if that's the case, you can go speak to someone else, right, Yeah, So.

21:23 Speaker 5: I think the more information now and again there's a lot more transparency now then there was back then because my son is now in his you know, mid mid thirties, and so there wasn't all of this stuff on social media where you could really get a sense for you know, is this person in this organization legit? Because if it sounds too good to be true, it likely is too good.

21:51 Speaker 3: To be true. Literally, my friend who works for an NHL team not too long ago, said to me, what is the US hut? Like the she didn't even she didn't even know what that was. I was like, no, it's a thing. It's a thing. It's a thing, you know. And so even even like again, NC Double A hockey is d one hockey is another area that I am extremely familiar with. And even in that, you look at the different the different leagues within the NC Double A and the skill and the talent. I mean, I think it still stands that the Hockey East is the gold standard, continues to be the gold standard for NC Double A BLA.

22:37 Speaker 3: But you know, in within the last ten years, NC Double A hockey has expanded tremendously, and you see PAC ten developing and create and more teams coming up through there. You've got the whole Upper Midwest. They're in their own separate league. I grew up watching ECAC hockey, which has always sadly been a little bit less competitive. However, they have one national championships. You know, but at the end of the day, if you've got a kid, uh, if you have a son who gets into a hockey program at BU, at Providence, at BC, like, they're effectively a whole completely different level above someone who goes to Quinnipiac or you know, I don't even know someplace out west, right like Denver.

23:30 Speaker 3: I mean even Denver, and Denver is a good school.

23:33 Speaker 1: For win national championships, but it's a different it's different hockey.

23:37 Speaker 3: Right, It's it's just different hockey. So it's just fascinating to understand all the multiple layers of that. But so so Mary, Mary.

23:45 Speaker 5: But these these player development camps are happening across the league, and are they happening simultaneously to each other.

23:54 Speaker 3: More or less. But but there's not a requirement that they are. I think that.

24:01 Speaker 1: This is my personal theory that nobody has actually confirmed this. I think that most of the teams have it right after the draft so everybody can then take time off. Yeah, it's summer, you know, the big you know, you listen if you listen to NHL, like on serious XM. They're all like, Okay, this is our season finale. We're finished for the year.

24:20 Speaker 3: We're off to the cottage.

24:22 Speaker 1: We'll check in from the cottage. Everybody's off for the next month.

24:25 Speaker 3: Step no. And I listened to Elliott Friedgen and.

24:29 Speaker 5: We all know he's on vacation, right, Yeah, he has said it on more than one more than one occasion during.

24:36 Speaker 3: His last podcast, and it's I mean, it's but it seems like that. You know, there's a lot that the league is jamming in.

24:45 Speaker 5: In and this is probably you know, a likely different conversation, but you know, the league is jamming all of these key events in very close to each other. You know, we have the Draft, we have Development Camp, and then it coincides with free agency, where some have said that the NHL should maybe take a page out of the NFL playbook, where the NFL is always giving you a reason to talk about them no matter what time of the year it is.

25:18 Speaker 3: So now we're going to go.

25:20 Speaker 5: From all of this happening to now having this pretty big gap with not a lot that's gonna go on because everyone's exhausted, right and they're they're taking time off.

25:35 Speaker 3: So you know, I'm not sure that that's great for NHL business.

25:40 Speaker 1: You know, there's something to be said for kind of looking at it from both perspectives, because our season has gotten longer, and it's gonna get.

25:47 Speaker 3: Two games, and it's got longer by two games. So we're already now.

25:51 Speaker 1: We used to play and be finished in May, we're now finishing in June. You know, I mean this is you know, we're still almost now, we're a lot to finish in July. Well, and that is a hard stop. Yeah, that's a hard stop. So I think there's something from that. So, and it used to be that they weren't conditioning. They weren't I mean again, hockey was very different. But like say, back in the sixties seventies, they would literally be off for the summer and then they'd show up and part of training camp was literally treating you back into shape.

26:23 Speaker 1: Yeah, the professional sports has changed, Hockey's changed. But this is for the people who work in hockey, whether it's for the teams or for the for those of us who cover it.

26:35 Speaker 3: They need a break. So I think that there's something with that.

26:37 Speaker 1: But part of the reason it's all jammed is because the season started going so long. Yeah, if we have to finish, we have to move on to the next piece of it.

26:47 Speaker 3: So I'm not sure what.

26:48 Speaker 1: The answer is exactly. I will tell you though, that preseason starts the third feek of September, so.

26:58 Speaker 5: Well, yeah, I mean the the rookie camp start the second week and the and then regular camp is the seventeenth, and then that's really and and it's gonna.

27:09 Speaker 3: Be that weekend, is right, and you know the this the new CBA agreement. It's not, you know, fully set in stone. I know we hear a lot about and I know we're getting off topic, but uh, you know, we hear a lot about the terms and everything, but even that is likely to be even shorter and all that stuff. So it's it's it's crazy, but we at Bruins taped tape know that everyone is hungry, thirsty, starving for for hockey talk. So that is obviously why we are here as a quick aside, because I completely forgot, even though we discussed this before the pods started.

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30:28 Speaker 3: So we thank you all it does. Yes, So Marybeth, let's get back down to business because we've gotten a little distracted. It's entirely my foot.

30:37 Speaker 5: Uh so yeah, yeah, no, go ahead, and Maria by only okay, I want to know from you, Mary Beth,

30:46 Speaker 5: any player or players in particular that stood out to you, as you know, is it plausible to think that per perhaps we might see them at a professional level either, you know, the Providence Bruins, the Boston Bruins, did anyone you know seem like a diamond in the rough to you?

31:16 Speaker 1: Being so, this is where it's important to remember that most of these guys are developing, so they've got a few years to go here and there. Now, the other thing that's fun is you might remember last year I sort of went spontaneously to development camp, and that's how I really got into this whole prospect thing. Well, but I only went for one day. This year, I went all four days, and it made a big difference in what I was seeing because I was able to watch some of these players now in all of their skills, watching them drill, watching them take this coaching, and then watching them bring it into the scrimmages later.

31:55 Speaker 1: So that actually, I think made a difference in my experience with what I was seeing. Now, I'll tell you right now, obviously the standout spoiler alert James Hagen's.

32:06 Speaker 3: I can't go You'd better be right.

32:10 Speaker 1: Nobody is surprised, but I will tell you if he's not ready. He's not intel ready. And it's interesting and I keep reminding people this because people keep saying, bring him up, he's so good, bring him up, and he is good, but he's not ready. Connor Bdard, Maclen Celebrini. They are the exception, not the rule. Kids are not drafted and then play really great NHL hockey the next season. It just generally doesn't happen that way. So let's just all take a beat there. They were also first und they were number one overall picks, I.

32:44 Speaker 3: Mean number one all over literally, so.

32:47 Speaker 1: Right, he was really good, but he's not ready. He is going back.

32:51 Speaker 3: He was.

32:51 Speaker 1: He was stand out above the rest. You could tell when he was on the ice, even if you didn't, you're like, oh, who's had it? Must be Hagen's see the back of his shirt. That's the one thing that's weird about development camp and rookie camp. No no, so until you see their back, you're not sure who you're looking at because they've got their cutter. But you'd be like, oh, yeah, Hagens for sure. So he was absolutely the standout. But somebody reminded me, they're like he's a standout here here.

33:20 Speaker 5: Okay, but I guess i'll rephrase my question. The names that we should pay attention to, Yes, as we're as we're reading things and focusing in on, you know, all things hockey, names that we should pay attention to.

33:39 Speaker 3: Yep.

33:39 Speaker 1: So James Hagen's is obviously you know he's going to be a BC again this year. We've got six guys who are going to be a BC this year. So if you're in Boston, start going to some BC games. I'm to fit them into my busy hockey schedule. Yes, he's another level. Now. One of the things you're going to notice about him is that he reminds me a little bit of Pasta. His movements are pretty easy and pretty casual, but they're totally effective. One of the things I think that ticks off people about Pasta is he doesn't look like he's trying, but then he's like booth yes, and then it goes and you're going to see that, I think a little bit with Hagen's that was one of the things that I really noticed with him.

34:19 Speaker 1: I loved him, loved loved everything about now another one I loved Will Zeller's. We have the trade from Colora. Yes, I just every time he was on the ice, my eyes were drawn to him. I really I enjoyed watching him so much. He was u U s HL Forward of the year and this year he's heading to North Dakota.

34:42 Speaker 3: So totally off the table because as a reminder to our our listeners, if you're committed NC double A, you quite literally are not allowed to come to rookie camp. Yes, and that.

34:57 Speaker 1: Won't see Hagen's at rookie camp because of their double A commitments. And that's actually a lot of these players are going to be MC.

35:04 Speaker 5: A lot of them are just going to be at BC well because that could open up a Pandora's box.

35:11 Speaker 1: That well, rookie campus in September and their season started, so.

35:17 Speaker 3: Quite started. But they're they're in college. They're at school. They're at school.

35:22 Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, so that's something to keep in mind. But I love Zellers, so he's North Yeah, North Dcote. He and Higgins were paired up together when they were doing some drills and they were having a ball and they were awesome to watch together. But they had so much fun. And I just keep thinking about the Sharks. Yes, well, but they had so much fun together, and I thought this.

35:45 Speaker 3: Yes, you want these guys to enjoy the sport like Celebrinian Smith. It sounds like maybe we got our own combo there.

35:55 Speaker 2: Some of that.

35:57 Speaker 1: G IQ and incredible shot. So he was a total standout for me. Another one who really stood out for me defense wise was Ty Gallagher. Now Ty we drafted in twenty twenty one. He was at he was at camp last year. He was at BU finished in three years. Then he was at Colorado College for graduate school. He just signed he signed a two year year with the Providence Bruins, so we should see him up. I think he finished his graduate degree, so I think we're going to see him with Providence now. He is so fast, just so freaking fast.

36:32 Speaker 1: Every single time he was on the ice, I was like oo boom watching him. So he's one that I think you really want to keep an eye on. I think this is going to be a good year for him. So you think he'll be at rookie He'll be at rookie camp.

36:45 Speaker 3: You I think he'll be at rookie camp this year? Yeah, I don't know.

36:49 Speaker 1: I would expect him to be at rookie camp this year.

36:52 Speaker 3: Yeah.

36:53 Speaker 1: So so those were my kind of probably my top three. Also really excited about Wilmore now he's going to be a b C. He was he was drafted this year and he was the one who came late because he was he was the one who barely made it to camp. He was traveling with Hagans. With Hagens, yes, that's right, two of them are in the past. For the first day they're like no, no, we're getting on the ice.

37:19 Speaker 3: Oh yeah yeah. So he was on the.

37:21 Speaker 1: National development team the same way Austin Matthews came up last year. He's heading to b C this year. Plays with so much intensity. Interesting if anybody listens to low quality Bruins fan, he was. He mentioned something that we had talked about. I was watching him and I couldn't tell if Moore was just a whiner or if he really cared that much he got every single time stuff didn't go his way. He was like like, disread, well, well, time you see that. But we need to see that, right because we gave away the one guy who kind of was like that did Martians.

38:00 Speaker 3: Oh we need a guy who's worried that much, funder much.

38:02 Speaker 1: But this was where two having four days of seeing that I wouldn't have known that in one day.

38:07 Speaker 3: But it turns out he really.

38:09 Speaker 1: Is super intense, a huge competitor, really solid skills, Like he really he's a great player. He did seem really coachable though, like he would you'd watch him do something, a coach would talk to him and he'd see a change.

38:23 Speaker 3: So really like that.

38:26 Speaker 1: What I what I'm hoping for him is that he finds some fun because I don't know that he had any fun this week. Oh jeez, you know now again, I don't didim that fun. I think he was just so intense and so so focused. Yeah, but like have some fun, friend, it's gay.

38:41 Speaker 3: Well that and that comes with age and experience. You know, when you are the young, when you're the young person in the office, you feel like you got to put in all the extra hours and do all that. But by the time you know, you're thirty five, forty years old, you're like, you don't need to try that hard.

38:58 Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's where I'm sort of But he'll have a little bit more fun now. Another one who really struck out for me was Blenar. He was the he was the one that nobody could find information on Richard's now it's Blenar and I may or may not be saying it correctly. Turns out he was born in Dale, so of course I love that since I just what is this?

39:21 Speaker 3: That mystery check Mary? Yeah, so so can you click can you clarify the story? Because I am super confused. I don't know about you, Maria, but I just what is the deal? So he was actually born here in the States. He was born in Vale.

39:36 Speaker 1: His dad had been a ski instructor in Aspen and uh something, so they moved when he was young over overseas so he has been over there but speaks well. So he he was actually that's how the connection all happened here. But he's been playing for a what's essentially a major juniors in Sweden for their U twenty professional team. Okay, so that's why people I mean. And his last name had been Richards. He was not allowed to change it until he was eighteen, so he went back to, like I think, a more traditional family name.

40:10 Speaker 3: I think maybe this product wasn't.

40:12 Speaker 1: Totally clear on, but I believe his family might have changed the name when they came to the States, that he went to something more traditional in the family, or may have been his mother's family name.

40:22 Speaker 3: But that's where the name. It's a family name.

40:24 Speaker 2: Okay.

40:25 Speaker 1: He wasn't allowed to change it till he was eighteen, and he just turned eighteen. So that's why it got confusing to find information on him.

40:31 Speaker 3: Oh, got it. And so he played he played for the league that like pasta plaid in right.

40:36 Speaker 1: And yeah, well he plays that for the U twenty Swedish Okay, and we have somebody else who's playing for them too.

40:42 Speaker 3: I forget. I'll look it up and figure it out. I have it somewhere in my notes. So you have disappointing.

40:49 Speaker 1: It's the they have a U twenty professional team. Again, it's a Siphon team. So it's but he was he was to me the unexpected surprise.

40:58 Speaker 3: Oh no, good from him.

41:00 Speaker 1: But he just he has a great shot, smooth skating, really good put candling, really quick, like just a great player. Obviously, I'm saying all this, all these wonderful things about these guys. They're all still developing. So they're not nhh. He's not NHL skating, he's not NHL put candling yet. But the but these are players that I'm really seeing some some amazing stuff from. So I'm loving these. I know a lot of people are really interested in Dean Laturno.

41:29 Speaker 3: I was going to ask about him. He had been so much spoken about him.

41:37 Speaker 5: During his his tenure at BC and his you know, lack of development there, which.

41:45 Speaker 3: I think is his his issue bad luck.

41:49 Speaker 1: There's a couple of things that have come up about him as of late. One of the things was it turns out he broke his hand had surgery around Christmas, so that kind of screwed up his season a little bit there. Now. The other thing was, so he was our number one draft pick last year in twenty twenty four. You might remember last year when I was talking about Camp, I'm like, he didn't really stand out for me a Camp ex step for his.

42:11 Speaker 3: Size, Yeah, big freaking high. We have fun of them.

42:17 Speaker 1: Now, there was a lot of he did not wise, we have a lot of really big guys. Yeah, it was really interesting. But I will tell you this year I did see more physicality from him, So I like that.

42:29 Speaker 3: One of the things.

42:30 Speaker 1: A lot of people were talking about his skating, and so I kind of wanted to go in with fresh eyes and not listen to what other people had said. Yeah, he's not a very strong skater.

42:43 Speaker 3: I was gonna say, do we need to bring the professor in to evaluate his skating? But I feel like I have some thoughts. If you're if you're saying he's not a spectacular skater, I can only imagine how mowotive is. I would have a lot of it.

42:59 Speaker 1: But I will say one of the one of the things that's come up is did he we talked about all the all the ways you can get up here. He may have left the EHL a little too quickly and come up to NC double A before he was quite ready. The reason that happened was somebody left BC and a space opened up for him, so he came up. But he is supposed to last year, have another year in major juniors. Again, are of major juniors, and so he may have come up a little too soon.

43:29 Speaker 5: And he came to he came to a team that was like stat and yeah, you know number one, and so you know, you talk about, you know, a big fish that you know, now he's a little fish in this ginormous home. So you know, maybe the organization was not as savvy as they should have been with the development of this player.

43:56 Speaker 3: But the fact that you say he's not an impressive skater.

44:03 Speaker 1: He's gotten better, there's definitely some improvement. But but if you'd go in and really, because of what I was hearing, I thought, let me take a closer look and like, yeah, you know, and again, I like everybody.

44:15 Speaker 3: And I'm always giving the benefit down. I'm like, yeah, yeah, yeah.

44:19 Speaker 5: We love that about you, Mary Bell, which is why I'm like standing up and taking notice.

44:27 Speaker 3: With the of the skating ability, which is a little bit troublesome, there's nothing wrong. There's nothing wrong with Mela mention skater either, so you know, but also being in the n C Double A, there's I feel like there's uh, I don't know if the right word is like there's some slack, there's some give in that there isn't necessarily anything wrong with you and your potential to be a good NHL player if you spend your full four years there. Because that's kind of like the big difference between juniors and the NC Double A is that juniors they're done.

45:14 Speaker 3: They can't play beyond what like nineteen years of age, right, can they go raise the year the year you turn you can in the NC double A, I mean, look at Mason Laurai right, he didn't join up until to the NCU into the NHL until he was I think his ELC was signed at twenty two or twenty three. Like, you know, so you can there's literally nothing wrong with you as a as a good potential player if you play until twenty two slash twenty three whatever. You know, if you've bread shirted, blah blah blah. I'm not worried if he's taking that nc doublea path, you know, because it sounds like last year was some bad luck.

45:59 Speaker 3: Maybe this he'll have better opportunity. You know, go ahead, take the three years, take the four years, like by all means because you've got more time to develop. You're a little bit older, which is a good thing. I think people kind of forget, like, oh my god, if you're not this crazy amazing player by the time you're nineteen twenty twenty one, that you're not gonna make it. But you know, we've talked about this a little bit on the Pod in the past, where it's not just about your skating development, your your hockey IQ development, it's like also your like human brain development to be able to manage and handle and be in the pressure pot that is Ahl NHL.

46:45 Speaker 3: So I'm optimistic. I'm hopeful he has a better season at BC this year.

46:53 Speaker 1: And nobis and the other thing we have to keep in mind and C DOAA players are also going to school.

47:00 Speaker 3: I know there they are student athletes. They are very comparative and challenging school at BC.

47:08 Speaker 5: They are for sure because of yeah they you know from what you hear all around here. And you know, we have the BC football coach who's on the radio show here every week and he is always speaking that would be Bill O'Brien about the emphasis that they put on academics and athletics.

47:31 Speaker 3: And so I'm not sure that holds true in a lot of other areas. But yes, but for sure, as a person who went to an n C Double A Division one hockey school, I can tell you it's not always the case where they are you know, student first, athlete second.

47:53 Speaker 1: But I believe that I don't know they maybe they may be a one, a B, you know what a one be. But again, just remember they are also in school. When you're looking at kids juniors, their job is hockey, right, yeah, yeah, they would still have.

48:09 Speaker 3: Friends. Job is student athlete, correct, The focus is is back not backwards. It's the opposite. It may be and again or equal. You know, so I think you have to do something else in additions are there you want to keep this in mind.

48:27 Speaker 1: So now I want to talk about a couple of other kids, and I'm going to write I got it right up on everybody else. We put that out on the substack. I'm to put it in something everybody can read. But more or less, I've got it ready to go. But I want to talk about Lok Johanson. Oh yeah, yeah, drafted him last year. He was playing with Major juniors and for the Quebec the qmj HLU. But he signed his ELC November of twenty twenty four. Yes for and I know you've talked about this a little bit on the podcast, but his entry level contract and ELC depending on how old you are when you sign it.

49:08 Speaker 1: It can be a two year contract or it could be three years. Connor Badard, because he was only eighteen and he signed his was a three year so he signed the infographical he basically just burned a year. Yes, so he got paid, played it, played major juniors. But because he signed his ELC, we will likely see him this year in either Providence or Maine, our Ahl Maine being our.

49:35 Speaker 3: Eh z l yeah, ehl, yes, ehl yes, saw.

49:43 Speaker 1: Some really good things from him. He had a really solid camp.

49:46 Speaker 3: In my opinion, he was he was at rookie camp, right, he was a rookie kid.

49:50 Speaker 1: Blessuer because he could be because again and we should see him at rookie camp this year. Says he's on n C double A and because he's on his ELC. Yes, these Providence players, these main players, are the ones we're seeing at rookie camp. But he particularly compared to last year, I'm seeing some good things from him. He seems to have improved his skills, but he's also filled out and he seems to have we're control over his body. One of the consistent themes for me this week is all of these young men who have grown very quickly.

50:23 Speaker 3: We're all arms and legs and they know what to do with him. Yes, I mean eternal you know last year more with Loke Johansson. All the more reason again I am such a huge proponent of NC double A pathway being the fact that you get to grow into your body. These guys are just they don't stop growing still. They're like in they're early twenty they're still growing. So you look at someone again like Connor Bedard and it's like he's that tone growing, he's always not done.

51:02 Speaker 1: Yeah, just a tiny Matt Patra a great example.

51:04 Speaker 3: He's just a name came into my head.

51:09 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, he's phenomenal skills, but he but he just gets creamed because he doesn't have the bulk yet and it's just it's just an age thing. He'll grow into it, but there's only so much you could do to build yourself up, to book yourself up when you're.

51:25 Speaker 3: At that age. Yeah, so it'll come.

51:29 Speaker 1: So that brings me actually to Christian Kostadinski. We drafted him in twenty twenty three. He's kind of playing with the UASA us HL but he's heading to b C in the fall. Another one of our few friends. He was at camp last year and I don't really remember much about him, but he is massive, really he is like six five or bigger and about two twenty.

51:52 Speaker 3: What's his position?

51:53 Speaker 1: Uh so he is actually defense, but he seems to make rung into himself a little bit, but he is one who he's still I just felt like he was still figuring out how to use his body and how to control himself. There was times I just thought it was super awkward with the way he was moving and I and again, I think it's him growing into himself. I think he needs to fill out a little, because again, these guys are all arms and all leggs. I didn't know much about him coming in, even though he's been around.

52:24 Speaker 3: Yeah, but.

52:26 Speaker 1: Speaking of not strong skaters, apparently like two three years ago he could not skate.

52:31 Speaker 3: What right on the street is he was?

52:33 Speaker 1: It's still apparently he's making huge strides in his skating.

52:37 Speaker 2: Wait wait, wait, wait, like couldn't skate per that particular level, or like was really a genuinely terrible skater.

52:48 Speaker 1: I believe that he was generally a terrible skater from where. Oh my god, what people are telling me, But I have no reason to doubt my sources. Holy wow, So that's super impressive. Then I'm looking at him and I'm going huh. And I'm talking to some other people at Delping camp. They're like, oh, no, year or two ago, They're like, he has made tremendous strikes. So if you were to now, I I didn't notice him last year at camp maybe because of that, But again, I was only there for the one day, right, I didn't follow him.

53:21 Speaker 1: This This is a big difference. Now I've gotten to know all these guys over the four days in a way that I didn't over one day of scrimmaging last year. But he really is a total physical player and doesn't seem to have any quit from what I saw over the four days. So so again, that was an interesting one just looking at these really big guys without a lot of control over themselves.

53:45 Speaker 3: Yet my question just popped into my head.

53:47 Speaker 5: And maybe it's a crazy question, but you know, these players are all invited in the campus for four days. Does every player stay the entirety of the duration or are there any instances that you've been aware or that you've encountered where you know it's day one, day two, And obviously there have got to be assessors on the ice to say, you know, what this was like, This might not have been a good idea and to have this individual here.

54:20 Speaker 1: I haven't seen any evidence of that, and I haven't heard anything like that happening.

54:25 Speaker 3: It may happen, but if so, it's.

54:26 Speaker 1: Kept kind of lower. I'm not like and looking at because I one of the things I do is. I do look at other coverage of it and just sort of, you know, their takes and just make sure I'm not missing something major. And I haven't been looking back at past camps. I haven't seen any evidence of that happening. Now, that's not to say it doesn't, but I sort of think because it's a camp, you're not committing to anything.

54:49 Speaker 5: Okay, you're learning, you'll learn, right, Okay. You know, I don't know why that dot just popped into my head. You know, well, no, it's a good it's a good question because we do.

55:00 Speaker 3: We definitely see that during training camp, which is certainly a misnomer. I think at this point kind of like you said, Mary Beth, you know, probably forty fifty years ago, it was definitely okay, you've had the summer off, get your body back in shape, get training again, right, But certainly today it's it's a little bit of a let's ease the returning players into the you know, the level that we expect of them. But it's also a little bit of a tryout for some of the folks from some of the guys who get invited to rookie camp and then we start.

55:45 Speaker 3: We have seen some of those players then be like, all right, we're good, you can report to Providence, right, Like that's more like tryouts than camp. But that's I think that's a really good question, because again, you know, this is for me certainly a complete reframing of what this particular week of activities is. Yeah, it's a little bit different.

56:11 Speaker 1: Once we get to rookie camp, that's going to be a slightly different focus than what we're seeing today. So that's why I think, particularly for this week you're here, we're going to give you some tips. You might just take those yeps on your merry way and maybe we'll never see you again. But I want to bring up there's a couple of players that were at camp last year that now have a different role with us. So Dalton Bancroft undrafted, he was out of Cornell, signed as ELC in April, so we're gonna see he was at camp last year, so we're getting this year.

56:44 Speaker 3: We're going to see him in Providence.

56:46 Speaker 1: Interesting, Okay, we deflaly a couple of games with them because he signed in April, so we'll see yep. So there's one Cole Chandler was twenty twenty fourth camp. We drafted him this year. He's been with the Quebec Major Juniors and he's expected to stay there. But I actually really liked him, really told me one thing about him, but he just gave me a good impression. So there's two players right there that came to camp last year and are now on our rosters. Essentially, they're on our one is signed and one is one we drafted.

57:21 Speaker 1: So those are those are two. I want to make sure I'm covering everybody we drafted. Do you get Cooper Simpsons that.

57:32 Speaker 3: You really you really only get like two invites kind of like you really only ever get two invites to rookie camp or like what's the what's the what's the vibes there? That is unclear?

57:48 Speaker 1: Like we had quite a few invitations sent out, and some of them I'm like, Okay, I can see where the connection was why you might have come here, but I don't know about your play. Yeah, So so I'm guessing that they need to be seeing something in you, Like I'm guessing if Cole Chandler, if they didn't see someone in camp last year, they wouldn't have drafted him this year.

58:10 Speaker 3: True, you know, Dalton Bancroft.

58:12 Speaker 1: Undrafted, but they had him at camp last year and then they signed him at the end of Cornell season, right, So so I think that there is something to that. I know there's certainly players that were at camp last year that aren't it camp this year.

58:28 Speaker 3: Now.

58:28 Speaker 1: I did not follow up on where are they now and what have they done? But there's players that were at camp last year whose names I've not heard and I'm not sure where they are.

58:38 Speaker 3: Interesting.

58:40 Speaker 1: For Simpson, we drafted this year. He was in high school and the us HL last year, so he's staying in juniors. But like we drafted him, but you know when you're trying to look him up.

58:53 Speaker 3: And you're like, oh, yeah, is this kid? Yeah, Maria, you had a question.

58:57 Speaker 6: Yeah, I was gonna ask these assessments in terms of you know, the drafting, the signing. These being made by the scouting staff for the Bruins. So our scouting staff is the Yeah, so what they're doing now. One of the things is, and again I don't know how true it is or not, but you know, we end up with a lot of.

59:19 Speaker 3: Locals we had. I think that's common with all of these.

59:24 Speaker 1: So it's how for are your scouts going, how much are you doing that? There was a lot of talk as I was looking into some of the major juniors in Canada, like they have unbelievable scouting up there, Like they are hardcore scouting up there in Canada.

59:38 Speaker 3: But that's what they do.

59:39 Speaker 1: They live and die by the major juniors. They don't have that NCUA A system up there. You know, they're competing. It's going to be even different, that's going to change.

59:48 Speaker 3: But you know we have like c. J.

59:50 Speaker 1: Foley was an invite. Well, kid grew up in Hanover, he went to Fair. He's at Dartmouth right now. So well, you know there's a kid that they're that somebody has probably seen him playing around. So when we're thinking about that's ECAC hockey. Yeah, yeah, it just it begs the question for me because we do seem to have an affinity for our local yeah athletes here hockey hockey athletes, And I just wonder why, you know, are we why do we seem to be making and and again, Hockey East is awesome, right, it's sticking our egg right the gold standards as you mentioned earlier, K, But it just seems to me that we kind of to some degree put all of our eggs.

1:00:48 Speaker 3: Sometimes in the hockey basket. Yeah, in a matching basket at the very least, right, Yeah, I think, I think.

1:00:56 Speaker 1: And now all of this happens through through our scouting all all the NHL teams from there scouting, right. I think that particularly with some of the East Coast teams, and I'm sure with some of the Canadian teams, there's so much local talent that they don't go that far afield. We're certainly not recruiting kids from California, and I mean not that there's that many, but we're not getting these kids from these other markets. Now, what's interesting is like Arizona State is starting do you want hockey?

1:01:25 Speaker 1: Right, So they're starting you know, there's actually people transferring down there, there's people moving there and doing that, and so so some of these other markets are going to start opening up. But when you look at there's a lot of like Minnesota, Wisconsin, there's huge hockey there. But guess what, we're not scouting over there that much. We're not ending up with a bunch of Minnesota kids because they're like, oh well.

1:01:48 Speaker 3: Look we could just walk down the street to just let Hill, right.

1:01:52 Speaker 5: But I alway times wonder if we're just I don't want to say being closed minded, but are we not giving.

1:02:03 Speaker 3: Due diligence, Yes.

1:02:07 Speaker 1: To that. But we also then ended up like with Blener, totally we hard nobody knew what to expect from him, you know, kind of a an unusual pick. So I do think we end up with a lot of locals. I do think we probably should expand our reach a little bit. I have to agree with you in that, but I think that that is we do have a a abundance of really good hockey.

1:02:34 Speaker 3: Right are you really missing out on that super phenomenal player. If like, at the end of the day, if you think about it, and again this is going so deep into the weeds, but if you think about where if you've got an NCAA player who is not coming from Canada and they're going the very traditional American route of they do American USA hockey, youth hockey, they go to American prep school. They're either going to Shattuck right Saint Mary's which is in Minnesota. They then go to Minnesota, or they go to a Hockey East team so they end up local anyways, or they are from somewhere in the United States and they go to Deerfield, they go to Exeter, they go to what's that place in the Berkshires, you know it's and then they end up in Hockey East, right or so, you know, is it?

1:03:49 Speaker 3: I don't know if we are necessarily missing out. We could be, you know, I'm not saying I guess that's my point. How do we how do we know if all you know expand your reach?

1:04:05 Speaker 1: A well, here's what I will say though, when we look at the on our discord, But there is the list of the development camp roster, and actually C. J.

1:04:16 Speaker 3: Foley is the only kid born local interesting.

1:04:20 Speaker 1: So true locally Massachusetts kid on here, We've got Ontario, Nova, Scotia, California, New York, Minnesota, Ontario, Alaska, a couple more Ontarios, Arizona, a bunch of Swedes, New Jersey. So there's kids there are kids like born now where they were before that? Because all I have is where were they this past year?

1:04:47 Speaker 3: And where are they going? Right? So not part hard to say, Yeah, yeah, it's an interesting it's you know, I feel like there, Let's be honest, there's never enough time, but that certainly would be a fantastic thread to pull on to figure out you know, if you look at the last let's say, ten years worth of draft picks or you know, prospects. What however, you want to quantify it, what was the path that they took? Where did they come from? Because ultimately it doesn't necessarily matter where they came from, you know, where you were born.

1:05:26 Speaker 3: It's how do you how do you choose to spend your time playing hockey from ages fourteen to eighteen? Where do you go? Does it matter? You know, did Celebrini what was his path necessarily versus bidar versus? And I'm just talking about you know, North American for the most part. You know La Frenier that's another one who was a top draft pick a number of years. Go like, you know, if they're choosing to go the NCAA route, what does that path look like? Are they all for the most part, it's six of one.

1:06:10 Speaker 3: You go to school in Boston or you go to school in Minnesota. Does it matter then? I don't know, you know, it's curious. It's curious. Well, if you go on some of.

1:06:21 Speaker 1: These, like particularly the major juniors, if you go on there, they'll be like, here's our alum, here's where they went. You know, so you can follow the path. You think that is a really interesting way to look at it. I do want to make sure there's one more local kid, but he's not really he's from Sweden, but Alvin mary Bath very welcome. He's that you made goalie from un He's an invite. Yeah. I did not do much on the hockey exactly, and also where swimming came from.

1:06:50 Speaker 3: I know, did you know what I picked up on the fact that you said Alaska a few times?

1:06:55 Speaker 1: Yeah, so that was.

1:07:00 Speaker 3: Last Yeah m hm. But I but I liked Boya.

1:07:03 Speaker 1: I thought he was again the goalies at the they literally are just standing there getting pelted.

1:07:09 Speaker 3: I know, it's.

1:07:12 Speaker 5: Just it's it just seemed like such a hard place for goalies to be at a development because let us just keep throwing pucks think you know.

1:07:25 Speaker 1: But I will tell you I really did like him when I saw him on there, he he was on top of it. He stood out among the goalies, so that's why I wanted to make sure to bring him up.

1:07:35 Speaker 3: I thought he was quick.

1:07:36 Speaker 1: I thought he tracked the puck well and he seemed to always know where it was.

1:07:40 Speaker 3: So I so he was one.

1:07:41 Speaker 1: They all seemed to improve over the week. But again, you know that that eighteen nineteen year old goalies, they've got a ways to go in there. Toy got like a decade to go. It's a waste, so I don't I can't spend a whole lot of time. But he did stand out for me that I that I did think he was. He was somebody to keep an eye on. And he's at Humane so we can do that.

1:08:04 Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, and he's gonna he's gonna play at Umane yep. Good.

1:08:09 Speaker 1: So he was there last year and he'll be there again this year. So and he was he's a sophomore, I know, twenty one, so I'm not sure what year, but he was. But he's from Sweden, so I don't know what year that makes, you know. And some of these guys red shirt themselves.

1:08:24 Speaker 3: Some of them yeah yeah, freshman year, yeah, stuff before they do NCAA. So yeah, So for our listeners who are not familiar with NC double A rule, red shirting is typically something that happens their first year of college and they purposely sit out because to be an NC double A player you can only play four periods. That's why some of them get graduate degrees. And you're like, why does he have a graduate degree because that was his fourth year, so it's weird. I went to college with some of those guys.

1:08:52 Speaker 3: I'm like, what are you doing? What do you mean you're a graduate student? What? Yeah?

1:08:59 Speaker 1: Yeah?

1:08:59 Speaker 7: But so final thoughts, Mary Beth, how do you feel, you know, because this past year Maria and I kind of talked, especially around the New Year time when it was you know, the Juniors, Boston was the only pro team to not have representation at the World Juniors.

1:09:25 Speaker 3: We know that our pipeline has been absolutely just terrible or as you just said, Maria, abysmal. How do you feel about the future for Boston And if.

1:09:42 Speaker 8: You could make a guess, how how soon could we start to see some of those positive things that you sought this, you know, this past dev camp.

1:09:56 Speaker 3: You know, let's be honest, two years, three years, what's your take away.

1:10:01 Speaker 1: We're definitely well, we're definitely gonna be seeing like Ty Gallagher. We're gonna see him in Providence. It wouldn't surprise me to see him start to come up a little bit over the next year or two. Yeah, No, that wouldn't surprise me at all. I think depending on I'm hoping that most of these players finish out their development at the NCAA or juniors level as long as they can. I don't think they're had anything to gain by rushing and jumping into the AHL and the and the NHL.

1:10:35 Speaker 3: I just don't.

1:10:37 Speaker 1: So I'm hoping so so based on that, I am guessing we're gonna start seeing it. We're gonna start seeing like Will Zeller's, We're gonna start seeing James Hagen. My guess is in the next three to four years.

1:10:49 Speaker 3: Now. Again, that doesn't mean some of the players though, we don't love that. I mean, if you're watching this on YouTube, you just saw my face, Maria's face.

1:10:59 Speaker 1: I know right now, some of these things made to go up a little more quickly because they're a little bit older. True when we're looking at When we're looking at Will was only nineteen and James is eighteen.

1:11:12 Speaker 3: So so yeah, I'll be a little there.

1:11:15 Speaker 1: They are the two top ones from the camp for me, and they're young, so they're probably three to four years. But again, we're going to look at these like Ty Gallagher, who's already going to be in Providence.

1:11:26 Speaker 3: We've got.

1:11:28 Speaker 1: A couple of others who are like Bancroft, he's already going to be he's got his ELC sign. So we're going to start seeing some of these guys coming up to Providence. As you know, I made it down for like Calder Cup game and loved it, So definitely invested in seeing some of these guys. We have a couple of guys that we've got a lot of them right now in the NCAA system.

1:11:50 Speaker 3: Yeah. Well, we know there's a time limit there.

1:11:53 Speaker 1: We know they're going to be done in two three they're all they all almost all of them have at least a year or two under their built. So I'm looking at you know, two three years. So for our pipeline as such, I'm saying three to four years. No, no, but that's what we're talking about.

1:12:12 Speaker 3: A team turnovers, Yeah yeah, yeah, that's a whole fresh team and they're doing a rebuild.

1:12:17 Speaker 1: Now we're gonna some of these players are going to be coming up and filling in. Look at nobody thought Mason Lora would be full ton NHL Vin.

1:12:24 Speaker 3: Oh No, people always surprise. I mean, right, he went, he was at dev camp, what was it it was two years ago? Now he was invited to rookie the last year, but no, he's at rookie camp. Was two years ago. Yeah, it was two years ago, and then he went to rookie camp and then just shocked everybody. So you never know what's going to happen, certainly, so listeners, if you're in the Boston area or you know, near any of these colleges that these players are at, you know, make sure that we post where they're playing.

1:13:03 Speaker 3: Go to the games, you know, frequently they are very inexpensive and to watch, uh, you know, either Hockey East or if you like to go to Harvard and see some of them, that's ECAC. But they're all really affordable. Uh, to go see those games. Definitely go check these guys out. Good enough for families too, you know. Yeah, it's great atmosphere. Go check them out. Tell us what you think during the season. You know, we don't want to forget about some of these players because now we are super invested in paying attention.

1:13:38 Speaker 3: Let us know what you think. Uh, Marybeth, thank you so much for spending four days Warner watching these kids.

1:13:50 Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeahhead of Ballad of All.

1:13:52 Speaker 3: I mean, I you know, I I can't wait till we can do something similar and when we do, we will have a whole podcast. We'll do a live at Warrior something for sure, But Marybeth, you.

1:14:10 Speaker 1: Will be at Rookie Camp, be a rookie common degree number, and I'm gonna before that, I'm gonna have all this. We'll put this out on the substack and we also have a copy of the development camp roster, so I've done that over as well.

1:14:25 Speaker 3: Yeah, and people can sort of see the stuff that I saw. Yeah, definitely my take on it.

1:14:31 Speaker 1: So yeah, take it all with a grain of salt, or probably a lot of grains of salt. But yeah, it was a fun week for sure.

1:14:38 Speaker 3: That's awesome. Well, if you don't feel like clicking on the show notes, do make sure that you are subscribed to our substack tape to tape mk dot substack dot com so you can get all of this information also in your email to remember to check it out later. And also our new feature in our Patreon, the TLDR too long didn't read of everything that we talked about. To get everything you need to know in basically five minutes less, find us all on our socials and thank you again, Maria Maribeth. I'm actually excited about these young guys because I have nothing else to look forward to it, you know what, there wearth.

1:15:28 Speaker 1: Being excited about, and not just as a consolation prize.

1:15:32 Speaker 3: Yes, I am super excited about about Hagen's I wish I lived closer to Boston to go see them. But we will be as a as a little bit of a teaser coming up for some next episodes this summer, because as I said, I know everybody is dying for hockey these days.

1:15:52 Speaker 1: We are.

1:15:53 Speaker 3: Actually we've got a special guest for our one hundredth episode, which is coming up very very soon, we will be doing doing deep dives on all of the signings from the D plus rated free agency check out ourselves. We went from the high of the draft to the low.

1:16:14 Speaker 1: Oh my god.

1:16:15 Speaker 5: Yeah, so we're gonna be We're gonna be that the hell is the plan? You know what the hell is the plan? But again we'll save that for our next Yeah.

1:16:26 Speaker 3: So we're gonna do some deep dives on these new guys. We've we've talked about it. We gotta do it. We got to talk about revisiting some of our big guys last year because some so we certainly make or you are following usscribing everywhere episode fully inform. Come October whatever, seventh, eighth, tenth, I'm not sure at this point. For the start of the we'll know and next week for sure we'll have the schedule. Oh that that's a fact. That's a fact. So there you go. So uh any final thoughts Forria Mary.

1:17:06 Speaker 5: Beth, thank you again for your just the the amount of time, effort, and energy you put into this episode, into other episodes you've you've done with us, very much appreciated. I always walk away understanding and knowing more and have learned something, so I appreciate, I appreciate you.

1:17:27 Speaker 3: Oh, thank you. Yes, your other professor in residence, we'll give her a doctorate. We'll get doctor Mo. Sorry, you're just a professor, doctor doctor m B. But as always, thanks for listening, and uh go bees go be